Old Hungarian closed e and naming of Old Hungarian standard

[Asmus Freytag]

So, ample reason for an annotation, if things are that level confusing.
A./

On 7/19/2023 9:17 AM, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote:
>
> Asmus,
>
> In Unicode character naming, "CLOSED", when used with letter names, 
> always refers to aspects of the shape of the typical glyph for the 
> character. Example for the Latin script:
>
> 0277 LATIN SMALL LETTER *CLOSED *OMEGA
>
> Other instances of this convention for the Latin script: 025E, 029A, 
> A7D0, A7D1, 1078F, 107A4
>
> Example for the Cyrillic script:
>
> 1658 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER *CLOSED *LITTLE YUS
>
> Other instances of this convention for the Cyrillic script: A659, 
> A65C, A65D
>
> The *only* used of "CLOSE" in the context of a /letter /name is for 
> these two Old Hungarian letters:
>
> 10C8A OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER *CLOSE E*
> 10CCA OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER *CLOSE E*
>
> In these instances (and *only* in these instances) "CLOSE E" refers to 
> the close (or "high") mid front vowel, IPA [e], as distinct from the 
> open (or "low") mid front vowel, IPA [ɛ].
>
> Note that the IPA distinction in vowel height is "close" versus 
> "open", not "closed" versus "open":
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel#Height
>
> The situation is confusing to some because standard Hungarian writes 
> "e" for [ɛ] and "é" for [e:], but there is also the convention, in 
> dialect forms, to write "ë" for [e], i.e., the short close-mid front 
> vowel.
>
> --Ken
>
> On 7/19/2023 6:57 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote:
>> Phonetically, "closed" has a certain meaning and usually in character 
>> names, that's the meaning we would attribute to the term "closed". 
>> If, in this case, the term "closed" is based on something else, like 
>> a typographical feature, then an annotation that says that would be 
>> helpful. If that is not the issue, it would be just more evidence 
>> that the presentation of the issue is impenetrable.

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