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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So, ample reason for an annotation, if
things are that level confusing.</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">A./<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2023 9:17 AM, Ken Whistler via
Unicode wrote:<br>
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<p>Asmus,</p>
<p>In Unicode character naming, "CLOSED", when used with letter
names, always refers to aspects of the shape of the typical
glyph for the character. Example for the Latin script:</p>
<p>0277 LATIN SMALL LETTER <b>CLOSED </b>OMEGA</p>
<p>Other instances of this convention for the Latin script: 025E,
029A, A7D0, A7D1, 1078F, 107A4</p>
<p>Example for the Cyrillic script:</p>
<p>1658 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER <b>CLOSED </b>LITTLE YUS</p>
<p>Other instances of this convention for the Cyrillic script:
A659, A65C, A65D</p>
<p>The *only* used of "CLOSE" in the context of a <i>letter </i>name
is for these two Old Hungarian letters:</p>
<p>10C8A OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER <b>CLOSE E</b><br>
10CCA OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER <b>CLOSE E</b><br>
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<p>In these instances (and *only* in these instances) "CLOSE E"
refers to the close (or "high") mid front vowel, IPA [e], as
distinct from the open (or "low") mid front vowel, IPA [ɛ].</p>
<p>Note that the IPA distinction in vowel height is "close" versus
"open", not "closed" versus "open":</p>
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel#Height"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel#Height</a></p>
<p>The situation is confusing to some because standard Hungarian
writes "e" for [ɛ] and "é" for [e:], but there is also the
convention, in dialect forms, to write "ë" for [e], i.e., the
short close-mid front vowel.</p>
<p>--Ken <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2023 6:57 AM, Asmus Freytag
via Unicode wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:dba7aff3-2e2a-f3f6-0769-398a4d3c397c@ix.netcom.com">Phonetically,
"closed" has a certain meaning and usually in character names,
that's the meaning we would attribute to the term "closed". If,
in this case, the term "closed" is based on something else, like
a typographical feature, then an annotation that says that would
be helpful. If that is not the issue, it would be just more
evidence that the presentation of the issue is impenetrable.</blockquote>
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