Old Hungarian closed e and naming of Old Hungarian standard
Ken Whistler
kenwhistler at sonic.net
Wed Jul 19 11:17:24 CDT 2023
Asmus,
In Unicode character naming, "CLOSED", when used with letter names,
always refers to aspects of the shape of the typical glyph for the
character. Example for the Latin script:
0277 LATIN SMALL LETTER *CLOSED *OMEGA
Other instances of this convention for the Latin script: 025E, 029A,
A7D0, A7D1, 1078F, 107A4
Example for the Cyrillic script:
1658 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER *CLOSED *LITTLE YUS
Other instances of this convention for the Cyrillic script: A659, A65C, A65D
The *only* used of "CLOSE" in the context of a /letter /name is for
these two Old Hungarian letters:
10C8A OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER *CLOSE E*
10CCA OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER *CLOSE E*
In these instances (and *only* in these instances) "CLOSE E" refers to
the close (or "high") mid front vowel, IPA [e], as distinct from the
open (or "low") mid front vowel, IPA [ɛ].
Note that the IPA distinction in vowel height is "close" versus "open",
not "closed" versus "open":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel#Height
The situation is confusing to some because standard Hungarian writes "e"
for [ɛ] and "é" for [e:], but there is also the convention, in dialect
forms, to write "ë" for [e], i.e., the short close-mid front vowel.
--Ken
On 7/19/2023 6:57 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote:
> Phonetically, "closed" has a certain meaning and usually in character
> names, that's the meaning we would attribute to the term "closed". If,
> in this case, the term "closed" is based on something else, like a
> typographical feature, then an annotation that says that would be
> helpful. If that is not the issue, it would be just more evidence that
> the presentation of the issue is impenetrable.
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