Old Hungarian closed e and naming of Old Hungarian standard

[Ken Whistler]

Asmus,

In Unicode character naming, "CLOSED", when used with letter names, 
always refers to aspects of the shape of the typical glyph for the 
character. Example for the Latin script:

0277 LATIN SMALL LETTER *CLOSED *OMEGA

Other instances of this convention for the Latin script: 025E, 029A, 
A7D0, A7D1, 1078F, 107A4

Example for the Cyrillic script:

1658 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER *CLOSED *LITTLE YUS

Other instances of this convention for the Cyrillic script: A659, A65C, A65D

The *only* used of "CLOSE" in the context of a /letter /name is for 
these two Old Hungarian letters:

10C8A OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER *CLOSE E*
10CCA OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER *CLOSE E*

In these instances (and *only* in these instances) "CLOSE E" refers to 
the close (or "high") mid front vowel, IPA [e], as distinct from the 
open (or "low") mid front vowel, IPA [ɛ].

Note that the IPA distinction in vowel height is "close" versus "open", 
not "closed" versus "open":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel#Height

The situation is confusing to some because standard Hungarian writes "e" 
for [ɛ] and "é" for [e:], but there is also the convention, in dialect 
forms, to write "ë" for [e], i.e., the short close-mid front vowel.

--Ken

On 7/19/2023 6:57 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote:
> Phonetically, "closed" has a certain meaning and usually in character 
> names, that's the meaning we would attribute to the term "closed". If, 
> in this case, the term "closed" is based on something else, like a 
> typographical feature, then an annotation that says that would be 
> helpful. If that is not the issue, it would be just more evidence that 
> the presentation of the issue is impenetrable.
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