What is the codepoint / sequence of codepoints to generate this symbol?

Mon Jan 13 04:21:28 CST 2020

The relevant Unicode proposals for these seem to be L2/07-343
<https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07343-n3366-vedic.pdf> and L2/08-273R3
<https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08273r3-n3488r3-vedic.pdf> . They seem to
indicate that these are all equivalent to the anusvara, though they may
have restrictions on when they can be used.

Thanks,
-Manish

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:43 PM Vinodh Rajan via Indic <indic at unicode.org>
wrote:

> It's this character:
>
> ᳬं 1CEC VEDIC SIGN ANUSVARA VAMAGOMUKHA WITH TAIL with Anusvara
>
> The word ought to be spelled: तपाᳬंसि
>
> I have shown the image below, in case your OS/font doesn't render it
> properly.
>
> [image: text - 2020-01-13T110937.823.png]
>
> V
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>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:58 AM आलोक कुमार (नौ दो ग्यारह) via Indic <
> indic at unicode.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for writing back.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (1) completely missing/omitting the complex glyph and replacing with a
>>> simpler anusvara:
>>>
>>> https://upanishads.org.in/upanishads/3/1/2/15
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> सर्वे वेदा यत्पदमामनन्ति तपांसि
>>>
>>
>> This is the version I would use as a compulsion, for lack of an option to
>> type the symbol on say my mobile keyboard.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> (2) rendering as -rtha- :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A5_%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B6.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> सर्वे वेदा यत्पदमामनन्ति तपार्थसि
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> This is the pdf whose OCR output I am currently verifying on wikisource
>> :) Please see Page 16 of the PDF. Line 13 uses U+A8F3, and Line 15 uses the
>> symbol I asked about.
>> Where did you find the encoding as तपार्थसि in the document? I believe
>> that would be incorrect, whereas (1) and (3) are still closer
>> approximations to the pronunciation.
>>
>>
>>
>>> (3) as the candrabindu-virama codepoint (U+A8F3), despite visual
>>>  variance with the scanned image provided:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/katha.html?lang=sa
>>>
>>>
>>> सर्वे वेदा यत्पदमामनन्ति तपाꣳसि (ँ् > ꣳ)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it has been used, but if you see the example of (2), both the
>> symbols have been used in the same page, it's quite likely they are
>> different from each other.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Which is “correct”?
>>> I don’t know, but... I’d likely try and look at other handwritten
>>> manuscripts that wouldn’t be digitally constrained...
>>> A question for you might be, “what makes the provided image’s
>>> typesetting more “valid” than the others?”
>>>
>>>
>> I've tried to look for a manuscript, but wasn't able to.
>> However in response to the question, I have been seeing this text in
>> hymns since the past 30 years (not a long time I agree considering the age
>> of the text :) ) and have been asked to pronounce them differently by my
>> elders.
>>
>> Will look for a manuscript again.
>> However I did find an explanation of vedic Pronunciation at
>> http://www.aryagan.org/pdf/literature/ved/Ved-Path-Niyam.pdf
>>
>> Please see item 3 and 4
>>
>> Item 3 is the symbol in question, called, in that document, अयोगवाह
>> ह्रस्व (ह्रस्व = short)
>> Item 4 is the ꣳ (U+A8F3), called, in that document, अयोगवाह दीर्घ (दीर्घ
>> = long)
>>
>> I could translate the Ved-Path-Niyam document to English if it helps,
>> also attaching it.
>>
>> Hope this bring me closer to an answer to the original query
>>
>> Thanks again for your response,
>> आलोक
>>
>>
>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> [Apologies for any typos – typed with my thumbs and subject to the most
>>> amusing auto-correct (or not), i.e. typed on my iPhone]
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 21:10, आलोक कुमार (नौ दो ग्यारह) via Indic <
>>> indic at unicode.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Can anyone help me with the unicode representation of the symbol after
>>> the पा in the fourth word in the attached file?
>>>
>>> If you have trouble viewing it, I posted it online at
>>> https://twitter.com/alok/status/1216563416501903360/photo/1 as well.
>>>
>>> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/katha.html?lang=sa encodes
>>> the fourth word as तपाꣳसि
>>>
>>> Which means that the symbol is equated to U+A8F3. That may well be
>>> correct, or it may not be, as the visual representation is different.
>>>
>>> Much appreciated, thanks.
>>>
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