Use of tag characters in a private encoding - is it valid please?

Mark E. Shoulson mark at kli.org
Thu May 9 11:47:54 CDT 2024


On 5/9/24 08:59, William_J_G Overington via Unicode wrote:
>
> Readers who would like to try the invention, whether by a thought 
> experiment, or with pen and paper, or by writing software, either 
> privately or by also posting in this thread may like the following 
> research scenario.
>
No.  That is not the purpose of this list.  You want this to happen?  
You want people to use this?  Then DO IT.  YOU do the work, YOU do the 
research, YOU assemble a group of people who are also interested in and 
believe in your idea.  When it's a standard other people use, THEN you 
can come to W3C or whoever and ask for it to be canonized as some 
international standard (but not Unicode, since it's already been 
determined to be out of scope.) Unicode is not your personal incubator 
for pursuing your own research and making it happen.  We don't do it for 
anyone else either.  You complain about how your ideas are never 
followed up here, but YOU are the one who isn't following up on them—not 
following up in the right place, that is.  You insist on trying to get 
Unicode to do the work for you, but YOU need to go and develop these 
ideas and GET THEM IN USE.

Yes, there's the chicken-and-egg problem, and I whined and bitched about 
that an awful lot in trying to get Klingon encoded. But even then, even 
back at the beginning when there was "too little usage" because it 
wasn't encoded, there WAS some usage, and people were working on it and 
people were using it, even at the small scale, and that community grew 
and people contributed and now usage is definitely not lacking.  The 
chicken-and-egg problem is annoying and possibly a bit unfair, but not 
insurmountable.

You've developed these ideas on your website.  Go find some like-minded 
people and raise a community that wants to use it, people who will write 
software to make it happen, etc.  You can use the PUA, that's what it's 
for, if that's how you want to do it.  Experience should tell you that 
you are unlikely to find many such like-minded people on this list, and 
this list isn't here for you to recruit for your own research anyway.

You have good ideas?  Then put them to use.  It isn't Unicode's fault 
that they aren't getting used.

~mark
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