Tengwar on a general purpose translation site
richard.wordingham at ntlworld.com
Sun Mar 13 06:01:05 CDT 2022
On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 01:38:30 +0000
James Kass via Unicode <unicode at corp.unicode.org> wrote:
> Unicode's mission is to provide a standard encoding for the world's
> writing systems. Tengwar is one of those systems. Suggestions made
> earlier regarding working around the estate's bans aren't about
> fooling anybody. Rather the goal should be to get Tengwar encoded
> while honoring the estate's wishes. Such a blind encoding shouldn't
> be viewed as "pseudo-coding". As has been pointed out, Unicode does
> not encode glyphs, so Tolkien's glyphs aren't necessary. Chart
> glyphs could be control pictures along the lines of "last resort"
> fonts. If the naming convention for CJK ideographs and other encoded
> scripts isn't good enough for Tengwar, then name them something else.
> Like "FICTIONAL CONSCRIPT TT LETTER A", or whatever.
The script is already registered in ISO 363. Thus I can't see any
objection in isolation to the concept of a character TENGWAR LETTER T
for what may more commonly be known as 'tinco'. However, their
arrangement (see remarks on collation below) might be another matter.
> As Richard Wordingham has pointed out, the encoding will assign
> properties to the characters so that applications can process them
> correctly. Collation and so forth aren't IP. The actual users of
> the script will know the score and non-users don't need to know.
That depends on the collation. A collation based on the traditional
tabulation of the tengwar might be protected by copyright. An
underlying order 't', 'p', 'c', 'k' is original. Now, a collation
based on transliteration wouldn't be protected, and has precedent in
the default collation for the Lao script, which is based on mechanical
transliteration to the Thai script.
> Maintaining the status quo until some future estate epiphany means
> that non-standard data will continue to proliferate. The current
> situation has some texts using ASCII-overlay fonts while other texts
> use CSUR encoding.
The estate appears to be relying on copyright. That generally expires
in 2044, on the 70th anniversary of Tolkien's death.
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