Difference between Klingon and Tengwar
Mark E. Shoulson
mark at kli.org
Thu Sep 23 16:14:29 CDT 2021
Indeed! Rebecca is right; I just couldn't find that response before.
Sorry I overlooked those in my response just now. Thank you for
correcting me. So, yes, there is something here which might answer what
I'm looking for. "...proof that Paramount would not pursue legal action
against the Unicode Consortium, or anyone who implements the script."
That does indeed capture the other aspect that I hadn't been thinking
of. Hm. There's really no point in asking me for "information on why
trademark and copyright are no longer an issue," if you are requiring "a
disclaimer from Paramount," which would settle that question. There are
a variety of reasons why they aren't an issue anyway, but Unicode is
(understandably) leery of putting itself on the line for those reasons.
What you really want is that disclaimer.
I guess it's back to the drawing board, but I am still very disappointed
that Unicode wouldn't even say "maybe."
On 9/23/21 5:07 PM, Rebecca Bettencourt via Unicode wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:52 AM Shawn Steele via Unicode
> <unicode at corp.unicode.org <mailto:unicode at corp.unicode.org>> wrote:
> IMO, perhaps it would be good to formally propose it again, and
> get a rejection that explicitly notes the primary concern is
> around the IP.
> Has this not already happened? L2/20-169 (Recommendations to UTC #164
> July 2020 on Script Proposals) addressed this on page 31:
> Document: L2/20-181 Proposal to encode Klingon in Unicode -- Shoulson
> and Litaer
> Comments: We reviewed this proposal for Klingon. [...] The minutes
> from UTC #149 in November 2016 recorded an action (149-A103) “Respond
> to submitter that it looks like there is sufficient usage to justify
> encoding Klingon as a script. *UTC would need clear proof that
> Paramount would not pursue legal action against the Unicode
> Consortium, or anyone who implements the script.*” [emphasis mine]
> The following comments were made during discussion:
> • It was noted that there was a lawsuit involving Paramount that
> raised the issue of Klingon and an amicus brief (on the Klingon
> script, see page 12). The lawsuit was settled in 2017.
> • We request the proposal author provide information on why trademark
> and copyright are no longer an issue, pointing to the notice of
> non-approval. *A disclaimer from Paramount stating they have no
> interest in IP rights to the encoding of the proposal is needed.*
> [emphasis mine]
> • Provide some background on the Klingon Language Institute, which has
> a font for Klingon.
> • Add the date to the proposal.
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