iPhone's other languages list from CLDR?
Don Osborn
dzo at bisharat.net
Tue Jan 5 00:08:30 CST 2016
Chris, Steven, Correct, these languages are not "iPhone languages" but
show up in the long list below iPhone languages, under as I recall
"other languages" (don't have an image with the heading to refer to, and
my home iPhone experts have gone to China).
It was not clear to this non-iPhone user what the list of languages
represented - alternative interface languages or as you suggest Steven,
for application or website language. The Apple store folks didn't have
more info, though suggested that maybe these languages were supported to
one or another degree by third-party apps.
Philippe, My assumption is that at some level someone had to choose to
list certain languages, maybe as you suggest based on the markets they
cover. (Apple apparently has no carrier support in Ethiopia, and Amharic
isn't on the list, as far as I could see.) Also I'd imagine Apple would
have a pretty good sense of what might come of listing certain languages
- or could it really be just to see what develops?
Don
On 1/4/2016 1:31 PM, Steven R. Loomis wrote:
> That’s my assumption. This list doesn’t show up as the “iPhone language”.
>
> Looking at the context and functionality, it’s a list of languages
> that can be chosen to request application or website content -
> analogous to the browser’s language chooser. If you choose Shimaore
> (Comoran) and an application is written to have content for such a
> language (BCP47 ID ‘swb’) the user will see this content. The data is
> certainly from CLDR, possibly with a few autonyms supplemented (
> “Shimaore” for swb?).
>
> Some time ago, it seems apps were opened up to support bcp47 codes
> instead of a more restricted list (“English” “Spanish” etc.) I don’t
> think there’s a lot of news here other than that the selector
> continues to expand. This doesn’t imply any additional data other than
> the autonym.
>
> When you pursue other avenues, please consider how to improve CLDR
> coverage for these languages, if you aren’t already considering so of
> course.
>
> Steven
>
>
>
>> El ene 4, 2016, a las 9:48 AM, Chris Hansten <chrish at apple.com
>> <mailto:chrish at apple.com>> escribió:
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> When you asked the original question, I assume you are asking about
>> the preferred language order setting. Correct?
>>
>> —chris
>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr
>>> <mailto:verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just wonder if Apple really chose those languages. They may have
>>> just searched about local demands and usage and thought it would be
>>> useful for its market to extend the list to everything that is
>>> available, using various local sources to define what was the
>>> minimum needed to support these locales.
>>> However, the reviewal process for the data mayh have been
>>> minimalist, and there would be corrections later in various aspects.
>>> Apple took its responsability and did not wait for a formal
>>> international agreement or standardization process. It could do it,
>>> and did it. Apple will correct errors later by listening its users
>>> and bug reports on its own developement platform and services.
>>>
>>> 2016-01-04 6:04 GMT+01:00 Don Osborn <dzo at bisharat.net
>>> <mailto:dzo at bisharat.net>>:
>>>
>>> Basically:
>>> 1) How the list was generated / languages chosen
>>> 2) What they plan to do with it (or how they foresee it
>>> developing if the strategy is to encourage apps)
>>>
>>> I am also pursuing other avenues also, but any help appreciated.
>>> Nothing urgent, but it looks like something significant, given
>>> the length and composition of the list.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2016 12:40 AM, Steven R. Loomis wrote:
>>>> You are welcome, Don.
>>>> Can you give some more detail on what you are looking for?
>>>> -s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> El dic 30, 2015, a las 11:42 AM, Don Osborn <dzo at bisharat.net
>>>>> <mailto:dzo at bisharat.net>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Shervin and Steven for these responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven, This list with notes is especially helpful - am still
>>>>> digesting. Will compare in more detail with the iPhone list.
>>>>> That exercise would be more rewarding in a cross-operating
>>>>> system comparison - if there were a clear list of what's on
>>>>> Android.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also hoping for more info from someone at Apple who is
>>>>> well-placed to discuss their approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes for the New Year 2016!
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/29/2015 2:44 PM, Steven R. Loomis wrote:
>>>>>> • ICU (which uses CLDR) is noted in iOS and MacOSX’s license
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> • ICU open source (for OSX ) is linked here -
>>>>>> http://opensource.apple.com/source/ICU/ICU-551.41/
>>>>>> • default calendar information in CLDR is by region and not
>>>>>> by language
>>>>>> • Many of these locales listed are in CLDR. I printed out a
>>>>>> list of all locales that are in Africa (002):
>>>>>> ( generator source here
>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/srl295/f87d06a1405a23e85827 ) . I did
>>>>>> not correlate this to the iphone 6 list exactly but it seems
>>>>>> many, but not all, are actually CLDR locales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So these are locales of Africa which have content in CLDR:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Afar (Djibouti) - aa-DJ [SEED]
>>>>>> Afar (Eritrea) - aa-ER [SEED]
>>>>>> Afar (Ethiopia) - aa-ET [SEED]
>>>>>> Afrikaans (Namibia) - af-NA
>>>>>> Afrikaans (South Africa) - af-ZA
>>>>>> Aghem (Cameroon) - agq-CM
>>>>>> Akan (Ghana) - ak-GH
>>>>>> Akoose (Cameroon) - bss-CM [SEED]
>>>>>> Amharic (Ethiopia) - am-ET
>>>>>> Arabic (Algeria) - ar-DZ
>>>>>> Arabic (Chad) - ar-TD
>>>>>> Arabic (Comoros) - ar-KM
>>>>>> Arabic (Djibouti) - ar-DJ
>>>>>> Arabic (Egypt) - ar-EG
>>>>>> Arabic (Eritrea) - ar-ER
>>>>>> Arabic (Libya) - ar-LY
>>>>>> Arabic (Mauritania) - ar-MR
>>>>>> Arabic (Morocco) - ar-MA
>>>>>> Arabic (Somalia) - ar-SO
>>>>>> Arabic (South Sudan) - ar-SS
>>>>>> Arabic (Sudan) - ar-SD
>>>>>> Arabic (Tunisia) - ar-TN
>>>>>> Arabic (Western Sahara) - ar-EH
>>>>>> Asu (Tanzania) - asa-TZ
>>>>>> Atsam (Nigeria) - cch-NG [SEED]
>>>>>> Bafia (Cameroon) - ksf-CM
>>>>>> Bambara (Mali) - bm-ML
>>>>>> Bambara (N’Ko, Mali) - bm-Nkoo-ML [SEED]
>>>>>> Basaa (Cameroon) - bas-CM
>>>>>> Bemba (Zambia) - bem-ZM
>>>>>> Bena (Tanzania) - bez-TZ
>>>>>> Blin (Eritrea) - byn-ER [SEED]
>>>>>> Central Atlas Tamazight (Morocco) - tzm-MA
>>>>>> Chiga (Uganda) - cgg-UG
>>>>>> Duala (Cameroon) - dua-CM
>>>>>> Embu (Kenya) - ebu-KE
>>>>>> English (Botswana) - en-BW
>>>>>> English (Burundi) - en-BI
>>>>>> English (Cameroon) - en-CM
>>>>>> English (Eritrea) - en-ER
>>>>>> English (Gambia) - en-GM
>>>>>> English (Ghana) - en-GH
>>>>>> English (Kenya) - en-KE
>>>>>> English (Lesotho) - en-LS
>>>>>> English (Liberia) - en-LR
>>>>>> English (Madagascar) - en-MG
>>>>>> English (Malawi) - en-MW
>>>>>> English (Mauritius) - en-MU
>>>>>> English (Namibia) - en-NA
>>>>>> English (Nigeria) - en-NG
>>>>>> English (Rwanda) - en-RW
>>>>>> English (Seychelles) - en-SC
>>>>>> English (Sierra Leone) - en-SL
>>>>>> English (South Africa) - en-ZA
>>>>>> English (South Sudan) - en-SS
>>>>>> English (St. Helena) - en-SH
>>>>>> English (Sudan) - en-SD
>>>>>> English (Swaziland) - en-SZ
>>>>>> English (Tanzania) - en-TZ
>>>>>> English (Uganda) - en-UG
>>>>>> English (Zambia) - en-ZM
>>>>>> English (Zimbabwe) - en-ZW
>>>>>> Ewe (Ghana) - ee-GH
>>>>>> Ewe (Togo) - ee-TG
>>>>>> Ewondo (Cameroon) - ewo-CM
>>>>>> French (Algeria) - fr-DZ
>>>>>> French (Benin) - fr-BJ
>>>>>> French (Burkina Faso) - fr-BF
>>>>>> French (Burundi) - fr-BI
>>>>>> French (Cameroon) - fr-CM
>>>>>> French (Central African Republic) - fr-CF
>>>>>> French (Chad) - fr-TD
>>>>>> French (Comoros) - fr-KM
>>>>>> French (Congo - Brazzaville) - fr-CG
>>>>>> French (Congo - Kinshasa) - fr-CD
>>>>>> French (Côte d’Ivoire) - fr-CI
>>>>>> French (Djibouti) - fr-DJ
>>>>>> French (Equatorial Guinea) - fr-GQ
>>>>>> French (Gabon) - fr-GA
>>>>>> French (Guinea) - fr-GN
>>>>>> French (Madagascar) - fr-MG
>>>>>> French (Mali) - fr-ML
>>>>>> French (Mauritania) - fr-MR
>>>>>> French (Mauritius) - fr-MU
>>>>>> French (Mayotte) - fr-YT
>>>>>> French (Morocco) - fr-MA
>>>>>> French (Niger) - fr-NE
>>>>>> French (Réunion) - fr-RE
>>>>>> French (Rwanda) - fr-RW
>>>>>> French (Senegal) - fr-SN
>>>>>> French (Seychelles) - fr-SC
>>>>>> French (Togo) - fr-TG
>>>>>> French (Tunisia) - fr-TN
>>>>>> Fulah (Cameroon) - ff-CM
>>>>>> Fulah (Guinea) - ff-GN
>>>>>> Fulah (Mauritania) - ff-MR
>>>>>> Fulah (Senegal) - ff-SN
>>>>>> Ga (Ghana) - gaa-GH [SEED]
>>>>>> Ganda (Uganda) - lg-UG
>>>>>> Geez (Eritrea) - gez-ER [SEED]
>>>>>> Geez (Ethiopia) - gez-ET [SEED]
>>>>>> Gusii (Kenya) - guz-KE
>>>>>> Hausa (Arabic, Nigeria) - ha-Arab-NG [SEED]
>>>>>> Hausa (Arabic, Sudan) - ha-Arab-SD [SEED]
>>>>>> Hausa (Ghana) - ha-GH
>>>>>> Hausa (Niger) - ha-NE
>>>>>> Hausa (Nigeria) - ha-NG
>>>>>> Igbo (Nigeria) - ig-NG
>>>>>> Jju (Nigeria) - kaj-NG [SEED]
>>>>>> Jola-Fonyi (Senegal) - dyo-SN
>>>>>> Kabuverdianu (Cape Verde) - kea-CV
>>>>>> Kabyle (Algeria) - kab-DZ
>>>>>> Kako (Cameroon) - kkj-CM
>>>>>> Kalenjin (Kenya) - kln-KE
>>>>>> Kamba (Kenya) - kam-KE
>>>>>> Kenyang (Cameroon) - ken-CM [SEED]
>>>>>> Kikuyu (Kenya) - ki-KE
>>>>>> Kinyarwanda (Rwanda) - rw-RW
>>>>>> Koyraboro Senni (Mali) - ses-ML
>>>>>> Koyra Chiini (Mali) - khq-ML
>>>>>> Kpelle (Guinea) - kpe-GN [SEED]
>>>>>> Kpelle (Liberia) - kpe-LR [SEED]
>>>>>> Kwasio (Cameroon) - nmg-CM
>>>>>> Langi (Tanzania) - lag-TZ
>>>>>> Lingala (Angola) - ln-AO
>>>>>> Lingala (Central African Republic) - ln-CF
>>>>>> Lingala (Congo - Brazzaville) - ln-CG
>>>>>> Lingala (Congo - Kinshasa) - ln-CD
>>>>>> Luba-Katanga (Congo - Kinshasa) - lu-CD
>>>>>> Luo (Kenya) - luo-KE
>>>>>> Luyia (Kenya) - luy-KE
>>>>>> Machame (Tanzania) - jmc-TZ
>>>>>> Makhuwa-Meetto (Mozambique) - mgh-MZ
>>>>>> Makonde (Tanzania) - kde-TZ
>>>>>> Malagasy (Madagascar) - mg-MG
>>>>>> Masai (Kenya) - mas-KE
>>>>>> Masai (Tanzania) - mas-TZ
>>>>>> Meru (Kenya) - mer-KE
>>>>>> Metaʼ (Cameroon) - mgo-CM
>>>>>> Morisyen (Mauritius) - mfe-MU
>>>>>> Mundang (Cameroon) - mua-CM
>>>>>> Nama (Namibia) - naq-NA
>>>>>> Ngiemboon (Cameroon) - nnh-CM
>>>>>> Ngomba (Cameroon) - jgo-CM
>>>>>> Northern Sotho (South Africa) - nso-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> North Ndebele (Zimbabwe) - nd-ZW
>>>>>> Nuer (South Sudan) - nus-SS
>>>>>> Nyanja (Malawi) - ny-MW [SEED]
>>>>>> Nyankole (Uganda) - nyn-UG
>>>>>> N’Ko (Guinea) - nqo-GN [SEED]
>>>>>> Oromo (Ethiopia) - om-ET
>>>>>> Oromo (Kenya) - om-KE
>>>>>> Portuguese (Angola) - pt-AO
>>>>>> Portuguese (Cape Verde) - pt-CV
>>>>>> Portuguese (Guinea-Bissau) - pt-GW
>>>>>> Portuguese (Mozambique) - pt-MZ
>>>>>> Portuguese (São Tomé & Príncipe) - pt-ST
>>>>>> Rombo (Tanzania) - rof-TZ
>>>>>> Rundi (Burundi) - rn-BI
>>>>>> Rwa (Tanzania) - rwk-TZ
>>>>>> Saho (Eritrea) - ssy-ER [SEED]
>>>>>> Samburu (Kenya) - saq-KE
>>>>>> Sango (Central African Republic) - sg-CF
>>>>>> Sangu (Tanzania) - sbp-TZ
>>>>>> Sena (Mozambique) - seh-MZ
>>>>>> Shambala (Tanzania) - ksb-TZ
>>>>>> Shona (Zimbabwe) - sn-ZW
>>>>>> Sidamo (Ethiopia) - sid-ET [SEED]
>>>>>> Soga (Uganda) - xog-UG
>>>>>> Somali (Djibouti) - so-DJ
>>>>>> Somali (Ethiopia) - so-ET
>>>>>> Somali (Kenya) - so-KE
>>>>>> Somali (Somalia) - so-SO
>>>>>> Southern Sotho (Lesotho) - st-LS [SEED]
>>>>>> Southern Sotho (South Africa) - st-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> South Ndebele (South Africa) - nr-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> Spanish (Canary Islands) - es-IC
>>>>>> Spanish (Ceuta & Melilla) - es-EA
>>>>>> Spanish (Equatorial Guinea) - es-GQ
>>>>>> Standard Moroccan Tamazight (Morocco) - zgh-MA
>>>>>> Swahili (Congo - Kinshasa) - sw-CD
>>>>>> Swahili (Kenya) - sw-KE
>>>>>> Swahili (Tanzania) - sw-TZ
>>>>>> Swahili (Uganda) - sw-UG
>>>>>> Swati (South Africa) - ss-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> Swati (Swaziland) - ss-SZ [SEED]
>>>>>> Tachelhit (Latin, Morocco) - shi-Latn-MA
>>>>>> Tachelhit (Tifinagh, Morocco) - shi-Tfng-MA
>>>>>> Taita (Kenya) - dav-KE
>>>>>> Tasawaq (Niger) - twq-NE
>>>>>> Teso (Kenya) - teo-KE
>>>>>> Teso (Uganda) - teo-UG
>>>>>> Tigre (Eritrea) - tig-ER [SEED]
>>>>>> Tigrinya (Eritrea) - ti-ER
>>>>>> Tigrinya (Ethiopia) - ti-ET
>>>>>> Tsonga (South Africa) - ts-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> Tswana (Botswana) - tn-BW [SEED]
>>>>>> Tswana (South Africa) - tn-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> Tyap (Nigeria) - kcg-NG [SEED]
>>>>>> Vai (Latin, Liberia) - vai-Latn-LR
>>>>>> Vai (Vai, Liberia) - vai-Vaii-LR
>>>>>> Venda (South Africa) - ve-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> Vunjo (Tanzania) - vun-TZ
>>>>>> Wolaytta (Ethiopia) - wal-ET [SEED]
>>>>>> Wolof (Senegal) - wo-SN [SEED]
>>>>>> Xhosa (South Africa) - xh-ZA [SEED]
>>>>>> Yangben (Cameroon) - yav-CM
>>>>>> Yoruba (Benin) - yo-BJ
>>>>>> Yoruba (Nigeria) - yo-NG
>>>>>> Zarma (Niger) - dje-NE
>>>>>> Zulu (South Africa) - zu-ZA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El dic 29, 2015, a las 8:30 AM, Shervin Afshar
>>>>>>> <shervinafshar at gmail.com <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are names of languages available as part of data for
>>>>>>> CLDR-supported locales. The mere fact that CLDR has this
>>>>>>> data doesn't necessarily mean that that language is a CLDR
>>>>>>> locale; i.e. having all sort of other information (date/time
>>>>>>> format, numbers, etc.) beyond these names. Here is the
>>>>>>> language name for Hausa as appearing in data file for German:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/trunk/common/main/de.xml#L228
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> Shervin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2015 8:01 AM, "Don Osborn" <dzo at bisharat.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:dzo at bisharat.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings, Does anyone know if Apple relied on CLDR for
>>>>>>> its long list of "other languages" (~240 by my
>>>>>>> estimation) on iPhone6c(plus)? Apologies that this is
>>>>>>> off-topic (replies offline probably best).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The list of "other languages" - not the "iPhone
>>>>>>> languages" fully supported in iOS - is impressive,
>>>>>>> though looking at some of the 74 African languages*
>>>>>>> included (by my count) it seems most are not supported
>>>>>>> beyond calendars. Charles Riley suggested offline that
>>>>>>> some aspects of the list make it appear that it lists
>>>>>>> what's on CLDR. However there are some languages one
>>>>>>> would expect to see that are not there (Hausa, Amharic,
>>>>>>> among others).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really interested to know more about Apple's thinking
>>>>>>> and methods on this. TIA for any info or leads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes to all for the New Year 2016.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don Osborn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/12/list-of-african-languages-on-iphone6s.html
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