4 Votes
Mjbmr
mjbmri at gmail.com
Sun May 17 14:15:27 CDT 2015
"intentional"? people please pay attention. Are you saying you don't
want use common names?
On 5/17/2015 11:41 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
>
> Shervin, I wasn't "mobilizing" people to vote, I asked to contribute.
>
>
> Either way, mobilizing or invitation, the procedures and regulations
> of the project should be followed.
>
>
> Most of translations for "America" is "Emrica" and "Africa" is
> "Efrica" in Persian.
>
>
> This is not a defect; using "امریکا" rather than "آمریکا" (as well as
> "افریقا") is intentional. Refer to "غلط ننویسیم؛ فرهنگ دشواریهای زبان
> فارسی".
>
>
> Please don't ask me to submit a ticket for these problems, I
> already said what's required.
>
>
> Of course, it is your decision, but Erkki mentioned the gist of the
> procedure clearly.
>
>
> ↪ Shervin
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 4:36 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com
> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Shervin, I wasn't "mobilizing" people to vote, I asked to contribute.
>
> For example we found a horrible translation for PS territory code
> in Mazandarani language which I asked the original person to fix
> that, but I also voted for new translation, it's not going to be
> the winning item, ST has chose older translation over the new one
> even both have two votes. Please fix that.
>
> The translation for Northern Luri language in Northern Luri
> language you have put is "لری شمالی" which is wrong and should be
> "لوری مینجایی" which it couldn't be possible to take the approved
> one down with some votes.
>
> I also couldn't fix translation for such as "US English" in
> Persian, it's not going to loose approved translation.
>
> Most of translations for "America" is "Emrica" and "Africa" is
> "Efrica" in Persian.
>
> I remember back in a few years ago, I applied translations for
> these in Persian, but they are gone.
>
> Please don't ask me to submit a ticket for these problems, I
> already said what's required.
>
> On 5/17/2015 2:36 AM, John Emmons wrote:
>> Generally speaking, they go from "guest" to "regular" by becoming
>> members of the Unicode consortium.
>>
>> The TC always has the option ( but not the obligation ) to confer
>> "regular" status on an individual for a particular language. We
>> deal with these on a case by case basis.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John C. Emmons
>> Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
>> IBM Software Group
>> Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele at microsoft.com>
>> <mailto:Shawn.Steele at microsoft.com>
>> To: John Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, "Steven R. Loomis"
>> <srl at icu-project.org> <mailto:srl at icu-project.org>
>> Cc: Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>, "cldr-users at unicode.org"
>> <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org> <cldr-users at unicode.org>
>> <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>
>> Date: 05/16/2015 04:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: 4 Votes
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> How would unaffiliated folks go from “guest” to “regular”?
>>
>> It seems like if certain folks are interested in language(s) that
>> the organizations working in CLDR don’t have a business interest
>> in, it might be good to have a way to get at least some of the
>> parties that are interested in those languages to be “regular”.
>>
>> -Shawn
>>
>> *From:* CLDR-Users [mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Emmons*
>> Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:38 PM*
>> To:* Steven R. Loomis*
>> Cc:* Shervin Afshar; cldr-users at unicode.org
>> <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>; Mjbmr*
>> Subject:* Re: 4 Votes
>>
>> I will definitely underline what Steven just said. Even a single
>> vote ( 1 point ) will give an item draft="unconfirmed" status,
>> which will make it part of the CLDR. The draft status is simply
>> intended to be a rough measure of how much faith we put in the
>> quality of any given data item.
>>
>> I certainly hope that you don't feel your efforts in contributing
>> to the CLDR will be wasted.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John C. Emmons
>> Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
>> IBM Software Group
>> Internet: _emmo at us.ibm.com_ <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Steven R. Loomis" <_srl at icu-project.org_
>> <mailto:srl at icu-project.org>>
>> To: Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_ <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Shervin Afshar <_shervinafshar at gmail.com_
>> <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>>, "_cldr-users at unicode.org_
>> <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>" <_cldr-users at unicode.org_
>> <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>>, John Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS
>> Date: 05/16/2015 01:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: 4 Votes
>> Sent by: "CLDR-Users" <_cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org_
>> <mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In other words, provisional status does not mean that your votes
>> are removed from CLDR! They become a part of the release on our
>> freely available for implementations to use
>>
>> Enviado desde nuestro iPhone.
>>
>> El may 16, 2015, a las 11:28 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_
>> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>
>> I only try to help these people and these languages, that's all.
>> I'll give up if there is something blocking me.
>>
>> On 5/16/2015 10:28 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
>> Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language.
>>
>> It's true about any language and guest voters voting on them.
>>
>> So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I
>> wouldn't waster my time on contacting people?
>>
>> Sorry to hear that you wasted your time mobilizing people to
>> vote. I pointed you to the CLDR process document in the beginning
>> of this thread. All the procedures and regulations regarding
>> voting and contribution is documented there. I invite you to
>> study that document carefully if you decide to keep contributing
>> to the CLDR (which I hope you do).
>>
>> I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode
>> organizations from all languages. Better be another choice, like
>> a wiki would be better.
>>
>> Unicode and CLDR are not working with wiki model, but since
>> you're involved with Wikimedia Foundation projects as well, you
>> can bring their attention to the issue of your interest in these
>> languages. On occasions, WMF has organizational votes on some
>> locales:
>> _
>> __https://translatewiki.net/wiki/CLDR_
>>
>>
>> ↪Shervin
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_
>> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language.
>>
>> So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I
>> wouldn't waster my time on contacting people?
>>
>> I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode
>> organizations from all languages. Better be another choice, like
>> a wiki would be better.
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/2015 10:08 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
>> TC = Technical Committee. Unicode Consortium member organizations
>> are listed at: _http://www.unicode.org/consortium/members.html_
>>
>> So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved?
>>
>> All four of Northern Luri contributors are in the same
>> organization ("guest") and therefore:
>>
>> For each value, each organization gets a vote based on the
>> maximum (not cumulative) strength of the votes of its users who
>> voted on that item. That is, even if an organization has 10
>> Vetters voting for an value, if the highest level is regular
>> vetter, then the vote count attributed to the organization as a
>> whole is 4.
>>
>> _http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#TOC-Voting-Process_
>>
>>
>> ↪Shervin
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_
>> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved?
>>
>> What's the "TC"?
>>
>> Who are the members of unicode organization?
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/2015 9:15 PM, John Emmons wrote:
>> Depending on the level of account you have, most things will fall
>> into one of the following buckets:
>>
>> Guest accounts receive 1 vote. Any data item with only 1 vote
>> will stlil go into CLDR as draft="unconfirmed".
>>
>> Regular vetter accounts from Unicode member organizations receive
>> 4 votes. Most locales in CLDR only require 4 votes for the item
>> to be draft="approved" ( which is the meaning when no draft
>> status is specifically mentioned in the data ). The only
>> exceptions to this are the "high visibility" locales, ( examples
>> would include things like German, French, Arabic, or Chinese ).
>> For these locales, 8 votes are required in order to make a change
>> ( 2 set of eyes from 2 different organizations ).
>>
>> TC member accounts receive 20 votes, and are used only to resolve
>> disputes when necessary, and also to vote on high visibility
>> items that require a TC review.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John C. Emmons
>> Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
>> IBM Software Group
>> Internet: _emmo at us.ibm.com_ <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mjbmr _<mjbmri at gmail.com>_ <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>
>> To: Shervin Afshar _<shervinafshar at gmail.com>_
>> <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>
>> Cc: _cldr-users at unicode.org_ <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>
>> Date: 05/11/2015 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: 4 Votes
>> Sent by: "CLDR-Users" _<cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>_
>> <mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>
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>>
>>
>> I asked "will" they be removed? and by that I mean will they get
>> into svn repos or not?
>>
>> On 5/11/2015 9:43 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
>> They are not removed. If I'm not mistaken in interpreting the
>> resolution rules[1], they end up being marked as "provisional".
>>
>> [1]: _http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#resolution_procedure_
>>
>> ↪Shervin
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_
>> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> If we don't reach 4 votes till the end of ST close time, will
>> they be removed?
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