4 Votes

Mjbmr mjbmri at gmail.com
Sun May 17 13:45:14 CDT 2015 

Actually I was telling the reasons stops me from contributing. So please 
don't call it open source when I as a "guest" can't override an approved 
wrong item.

On 5/17/2015 6:10 PM, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote:
>
> Dear Mjbmr,
>
> Submitting a ticket is the agreed-upon method to make (and – in fact - 
> authorize) TC to act on specific issues, not a discussion on the 
> cldr-users mailing list. Other than that, it is justifiably somewhat 
> more difficult to overturn an _/approved/_ value than to introduce a 
> new one.
>
> Discussion on the ticket also invites more effectively the interested 
> parties to express and justify their positions.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Erkki I. Kolehmainen
>
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> *Lähettäjä:*CLDR-Users [mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org] 
> *Puolesta *Mjbmr
> *Lähetetty:* 17. toukokuuta 2015 14:37
> *Vastaanottaja:* cldr-users at unicode.org
> *Aihe:* Re: 4 Votes
>
> Shervin, I wasn't "mobilizing" people to vote, I asked to contribute.
>
> For example we found a horrible translation for PS territory code in 
> Mazandarani language which I asked the original person to fix that, 
> but I also voted for new translation, it's not going to be the winning 
> item, ST has chose older translation over the new one even both have 
> two votes. Please fix that.
>
> The translation for Northern Luri language in Northern Luri language 
> you have put is "لری شمالی" which is wrong and should be "لوری 
> مینجایی" which it couldn't be possible to take the approved one down 
> with some votes.
>
> I also couldn't fix translation for such as "US English" in Persian, 
> it's not going to loose approved translation.
>
> Most of translations for "America" is "Emrica" and "Africa" is 
> "Efrica" in Persian.
>
> I remember back in a few years ago, I applied translations for these 
> in Persian, but they are gone.
>
> Please don't ask me to submit a ticket for these problems, I already 
> said what's required.
>
> On 5/17/2015 2:36 AM, John Emmons wrote:
>
>     Generally speaking, they go from "guest" to "regular" by becoming
>     members of the Unicode consortium.
>
>     The TC always has the option ( but not the obligation ) to confer
>     "regular" status on an individual for a particular language.  We
>     deal with these on a case by case basis.
>
>
>     Regards,
>
>     John C. Emmons
>     Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
>     IBM Software Group
>     Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>
>
>
>
>     From: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele at microsoft.com>
>     <mailto:Shawn.Steele at microsoft.com>
>     To: John Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, "Steven R. Loomis"
>     <srl at icu-project.org> <mailto:srl at icu-project.org>
>     Cc: Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>, "cldr-users at unicode.org"
>     <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org> <cldr-users at unicode.org>
>     <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>
>     Date: 05/16/2015 04:48 PM
>     Subject: RE: 4 Votes
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>     How would unaffiliated folks go from “guest” to “regular”?
>
>     It seems like if certain folks are interested in language(s) that
>     the organizations working in CLDR don’t have a business interest
>     in, it might be good to have a way to get at least some of the
>     parties that are interested in those languages to be “regular”.
>
>     -Shawn
>
>     *From:*CLDR-Users [mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org] *On
>     Behalf Of *John Emmons*
>     Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:38 PM*
>     To:* Steven R. Loomis*
>     Cc:* Shervin Afshar; cldr-users at unicode.org
>     <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>; Mjbmr*
>     Subject:* Re: 4 Votes
>
>     I will definitely underline what Steven just said.  Even a single
>     vote ( 1 point ) will give an item draft="unconfirmed" status,
>     which will make it part of the CLDR. The draft status is simply
>     intended to be a rough measure of how much faith we put in the
>     quality of any given data item.
>
>     I certainly hope that you don't feel your efforts in contributing
>     to the CLDR will be wasted.
>
>
>     Regards,
>
>     John C. Emmons
>     Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
>     IBM Software Group
>     Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>
>
>
>
>     From: "Steven R. Loomis" <srl at icu-project.org
>     <mailto:srl at icu-project.org>>
>     To: Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>>
>     Cc: Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com
>     <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>>, "cldr-users at unicode.org
>     <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>" <cldr-users at unicode.org
>     <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>>, John Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS
>     Date: 05/16/2015 01:41 PM
>     Subject: Re: 4 Votes
>     Sent by: "CLDR-Users" <cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org
>     <mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>     In other words, provisional status does not mean that your votes
>     are removed from CLDR! They become a part of the release on our
>     freely available for implementations to use
>
>     Enviado desde nuestro iPhone.
>
>     El may 16, 2015, a las 11:28 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> escribió:
>
>     I only try to help these people and these languages, that's all.
>     I'll give up if there is something blocking me.
>
>     On 5/16/2015 10:28 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
>     Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language.
>
>     It's true about any language and guest voters voting on them.
>
>     So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I
>     wouldn't waster my time on contacting people?
>
>     Sorry to hear that you wasted your time mobilizing people to vote.
>     I pointed you to the CLDR process document in the beginning of
>     this thread. All the procedures and regulations regarding voting
>     and contribution is documented there. I invite you to study that
>     document carefully if you decide to keep contributing to the CLDR
>     (which I hope you do).
>
>     I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode
>     organizations from all languages. Better be another choice, like a
>     wiki would be better.
>
>     Unicode and CLDR are not working with wiki model, but since you're
>     involved with Wikimedia Foundation projects as well, you can bring
>     their attention to the issue of your interest in these languages.
>     On occasions, WMF has organizational votes on some locales:
>     _
>     _https://translatewiki.net/wiki/CLDR
>
>
>     ↪ Shervin
>
>     On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language.
>
>     So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I
>     wouldn't waster my time on contacting people?
>
>     I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode
>     organizations from all languages. Better be another choice, like a
>     wiki would be better.
>
>
>     On 5/16/2015 10:08 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
>     TC = Technical Committee. Unicode Consortium member organizations
>     are listed at: http://www.unicode.org/consortium/members.html
>
>     So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved?
>
>     All four of Northern Luri contributors are in the same
>     organization ("guest") and therefore:
>
>     For each value, each organization gets a vote based on the maximum
>     (not cumulative) strength of the votes of its users who voted on
>     that item. That is, even if an organization has 10 Vetters voting
>     for an value, if the highest level is regular vetter, then the
>     vote count attributed to the organization as a whole is 4.
>
>     http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#TOC-Voting-Process
>
>
>     ↪ Shervin
>
>     On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved?
>
>     What's the "TC"?
>
>     Who are the members of unicode organization?
>
>
>     On 5/12/2015 9:15 PM, John Emmons wrote:
>     Depending on the level of account you have, most things will fall
>     into one of the following buckets:
>
>     Guest accounts receive 1 vote.  Any data item with only 1 vote
>     will stlil go into CLDR as draft="unconfirmed".
>
>     Regular vetter accounts from Unicode member organizations receive
>     4 votes.  Most locales in CLDR only require 4 votes for the item
>     to be draft="approved" ( which is the meaning when no draft status
>     is specifically mentioned in the data ).  The only exceptions to
>     this are the "high visibility" locales, ( examples would include
>     things like German, French, Arabic, or Chinese ).  For these
>     locales, 8 votes are required in order to make a change ( 2 set of
>     eyes from 2 different organizations ).
>
>     TC member accounts receive 20 votes, and are used only to resolve
>     disputes when necessary, and also to vote on high visibility items
>     that require a TC review.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     John C. Emmons
>     Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
>     IBM Software Group
>     Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>
>
>
>
>     From: Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>
>     To: Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>
>     Cc: cldr-users at unicode.org <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>
>     Date: 05/11/2015 12:20 PM
>     Subject: Re: 4 Votes
>     Sent by: "CLDR-Users" <cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>
>     <mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>     I asked "will" they be removed? and by that I mean will they get
>     into svn repos or not?
>
>     On 5/11/2015 9:43 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
>     They are not removed. If I'm not mistaken in interpreting the
>     resolution rules[1], they end up being marked as "provisional".
>
>     [1]: http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#resolution_procedure
>
>     ↪ Shervin
>
>     On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     If we don't reach 4 votes till the end of ST close time, will they
>     be removed?
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