4 Votes

Sun May 17 06:36:42 CDT 2015

Shervin, I wasn't "mobilizing" people to vote, I asked to contribute.

For example we found a horrible translation for PS territory code in 
Mazandarani language which I asked the original person to fix that, but 
I also voted for new translation, it's not going to be the winning item, 
ST has chose older translation over the new one even both have two 
votes. Please fix that.

The translation for Northern Luri language in Northern Luri language you 
have put is "لری شمالی" which is wrong and should be "لوری مینجایی" 
which it couldn't be possible to take the approved one down with some votes.

I also couldn't fix translation for such as "US English" in Persian, 
it's not going to loose approved translation.

Most of translations for "America" is "Emrica" and "Africa" is "Efrica" 
in Persian.

I remember back in a few years ago, I applied translations for these in 
Persian, but they are gone.

Please don't ask me to submit a ticket for these problems, I already 
said what's required.

On 5/17/2015 2:36 AM, John Emmons wrote:
> Generally speaking, they go from "guest" to "regular" by becoming 
> members of the Unicode consortium.
>
> The TC always has the option ( but not the obligation ) to confer 
> "regular" status on an individual for a particular language.  We deal 
> with these on a case by case basis.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John C. Emmons
> Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
> IBM Software Group
> Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com
>
>
>
>
> From: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele at microsoft.com>
> To: John Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, "Steven R. Loomis" 
> <srl at icu-project.org>
> Cc: Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com>, "cldr-users at unicode.org" 
> <cldr-users at unicode.org>, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com>
> Date: 05/16/2015 04:48 PM
> Subject: RE: 4 Votes
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
> How would unaffiliated folks go from “guest” to “regular”?
>
> It seems like if certain folks are interested in language(s) that the 
> organizations working in CLDR don’t have a business interest in, it 
> might be good to have a way to get at least some of the parties that 
> are interested in those languages to be “regular”.
>
> -Shawn
>
> *From:* CLDR-Users [mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org] *On Behalf 
> Of *John Emmons*
> Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:38 PM*
> To:* Steven R. Loomis*
> Cc:* Shervin Afshar; cldr-users at unicode.org; Mjbmr*
> Subject:* Re: 4 Votes
>
> I will definitely underline what Steven just said.  Even a single vote 
> ( 1 point ) will give an item draft="unconfirmed" status, which will 
> make it part of the CLDR. The draft status is simply intended to be a 
> rough measure of how much faith we put in the quality of any given 
> data item.
>
> I certainly hope that you don't feel your efforts in contributing to 
> the CLDR will be wasted.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John C. Emmons
> Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
> IBM Software Group
> Internet: _emmo at us.ibm.com_ <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Steven R. Loomis" <_srl at icu-project.org_ 
> <mailto:srl at icu-project.org>>
> To: Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_ <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Shervin Afshar <_shervinafshar at gmail.com_ 
> <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>>, "_cldr-users at unicode.org_ 
> <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>" <_cldr-users at unicode.org_ 
> <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>>, John Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS
> Date: 05/16/2015 01:41 PM
> Subject: Re: 4 Votes
> Sent by: "CLDR-Users" <_cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org_ 
> <mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>>
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>
>
>
>
> In other words, provisional status does not mean that your votes are 
> removed from CLDR! They become a part of the release on our freely 
> available for implementations to use
>
> Enviado desde nuestro iPhone.
>
> El may 16, 2015, a las 11:28 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_ 
> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> escribió:
>
> I only try to help these people and these languages, that's all. I'll 
> give up if there is something blocking me.
>
> On 5/16/2015 10:28 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
> Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language.
>
> It's true about any language and guest voters voting on them.
>
> So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I 
> wouldn't waster my time on contacting people?
>
> Sorry to hear that you wasted your time mobilizing people to vote. I 
> pointed you to the CLDR process document in the beginning of this 
> thread. All the procedures and regulations regarding voting and 
> contribution is documented there. I invite you to study that document 
> carefully if you decide to keep contributing to the CLDR (which I hope 
> you do).
>
> I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode organizations 
> from all languages. Better be another choice, like a wiki would be 
> better.
>
> Unicode and CLDR are not working with wiki model, but since you're 
> involved with Wikimedia Foundation projects as well, you can bring 
> their attention to the issue of your interest in these languages. On 
> occasions, WMF has organizational votes on some locales:
> _
> __https://translatewiki.net/wiki/CLDR_
>
>
> ↪Shervin
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_ 
> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language.
>
> So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I 
> wouldn't waster my time on contacting people?
>
> I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode organizations 
> from all languages. Better be another choice, like a wiki would be 
> better.
>
>
> On 5/16/2015 10:08 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
> TC = Technical Committee. Unicode Consortium member organizations are 
> listed at: _http://www.unicode.org/consortium/members.html_
>
> So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved?
>
> All four of Northern Luri contributors are in the same organization 
> ("guest") and therefore:
>
> For each value, each organization gets a vote based on the maximum 
> (not cumulative) strength of the votes of its users who voted on that 
> item. That is, even if an organization has 10 Vetters voting for an 
> value, if the highest level is regular vetter, then the vote count 
> attributed to the organization as a whole is 4.
>
> _http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#TOC-Voting-Process_
>
>
> ↪Shervin
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_ 
> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
> So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved?
>
> What's the "TC"?
>
> Who are the members of unicode organization?
>
>
> On 5/12/2015 9:15 PM, John Emmons wrote:
> Depending on the level of account you have, most things will fall into 
> one of the following buckets:
>
> Guest accounts receive 1 vote.  Any data item with only 1 vote will 
> stlil go into CLDR as draft="unconfirmed".
>
> Regular vetter accounts from Unicode member organizations receive 4 
> votes.  Most locales in CLDR only require 4 votes for the item to be 
> draft="approved" ( which is the meaning when no draft status is 
> specifically mentioned in the data ).  The only exceptions to this are 
> the "high visibility" locales, ( examples would include things like 
> German, French, Arabic, or Chinese ).  For these locales, 8 votes are 
> required in order to make a change ( 2 set of eyes from 2 different 
> organizations ).
>
> TC member accounts receive 20 votes, and are used only to resolve 
> disputes when necessary, and also to vote on high visibility items 
> that require a TC review.
>
> Regards,
>
> John C. Emmons
> Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
> IBM Software Group
> Internet: _emmo at us.ibm.com_ <mailto:emmo at us.ibm.com>
>
>
>
>
> From: Mjbmr _<mjbmri at gmail.com>_ <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>
> To: Shervin Afshar _<shervinafshar at gmail.com>_ 
> <mailto:shervinafshar at gmail.com>
> Cc: _cldr-users at unicode.org_ <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>
> Date: 05/11/2015 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: 4 Votes
> Sent by: "CLDR-Users" _<cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>_ 
> <mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org>
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>
>
> I asked "will" they be removed? and by that I mean will they get into 
> svn repos or not?
>
> On 5/11/2015 9:43 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote:
> They are not removed. If I'm not mistaken in interpreting the 
> resolution rules[1], they end up being marked as "provisional".
>
> [1]: _http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#resolution_procedure_
>
> ↪Shervin
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Mjbmr <_mjbmri at gmail.com_ 
> <mailto:mjbmri at gmail.com>> wrote:
> If we don't reach 4 votes till the end of ST close time, will they be 
> removed?
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