4 Votes

Sat May 16 17:06:57 CDT 2015

Generally speaking, they go from "guest" to "regular" by becoming members 
of the Unicode consortium.

The TC always has the option ( but not the obligation ) to confer 
"regular" status on an individual for a particular language.  We deal with 
these on a case by case basis.

Regards,

John C. Emmons
Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
IBM Software Group
Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com

From:   Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele at microsoft.com>
To:     John Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, "Steven R. Loomis" 
<srl at icu-project.org>
Cc:     Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com>, "cldr-users at unicode.org" 
<cldr-users at unicode.org>, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com>
Date:   05/16/2015 04:48 PM
Subject:        RE: 4 Votes

How would unaffiliated folks go from “guest” to “regular”? 

It seems like if certain folks are interested in language(s) that the 
organizations working in CLDR don’t have a business interest in, it might 
be good to have a way to get at least some of the parties that are 
interested in those languages to be “regular”.

-Shawn

From: CLDR-Users [mailto:cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org] On Behalf Of John 
Emmons
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:38 PM
To: Steven R. Loomis
Cc: Shervin Afshar; cldr-users at unicode.org; Mjbmr
Subject: Re: 4 Votes

I will definitely underline what Steven just said.  Even a single vote ( 1 
point ) will give an item draft="unconfirmed" status, which will make it 
part of the CLDR. The draft status is simply intended to be a rough 
measure of how much faith we put in the quality of any given data item. 

I certainly hope that you don't feel your efforts in contributing to the 
CLDR will be wasted. 

Regards,

John C. Emmons
Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
IBM Software Group
Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com

From:        "Steven R. Loomis" <srl at icu-project.org> 
To:        Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com> 
Cc:        Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com>, "
cldr-users at unicode.org" <cldr-users at unicode.org>, John 
Emmons/Austin/IBM at IBMUS 
Date:        05/16/2015 01:41 PM 
Subject:        Re: 4 Votes 
Sent by:        "CLDR-Users" <cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org> 

In other words, provisional status does not mean that your votes are 
removed from CLDR! They become a part of the release on our freely 
available for implementations to use

Enviado desde nuestro iPhone. 

El may 16, 2015, a las 11:28 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com> escribió:

I only try to help these people and these languages, that's all. I'll give 
up if there is something blocking me.

On 5/16/2015 10:28 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote: 
Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language. 

It's true about any language and guest voters voting on them. 

So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I wouldn't 
waster my time on contacting people? 

Sorry to hear that you wasted your time mobilizing people to vote. I 
pointed you to the CLDR process document in the beginning of this thread. 
All the procedures and regulations regarding voting and contribution is 
documented there. I invite you to study that document carefully if you 
decide to keep contributing to the CLDR (which I hope you do). 

I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode organizations 
from all languages. Better be another choice, like a wiki would be better. 

Unicode and CLDR are not working with wiki model, but since you're 
involved with Wikimedia Foundation projects as well, you can bring their 
attention to the issue of your interest in these languages. On occasions, 
WMF has organizational votes on some locales: 

https://translatewiki.net/wiki/CLDR 

↪ Shervin 

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com> wrote: 
Actually I wasn't talking about any specific language.

So if that's true, why didn't you tell me at the first time so I wouldn't 
waster my time on contacting people?

I'm sure we don't have high value vote people in Unicode organizations 
from all languages. Better be another choice, like a wiki would be better. 

On 5/16/2015 10:08 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote: 
TC = Technical Committee. Unicode Consortium member organizations are 
listed at: http://www.unicode.org/consortium/members.html 

So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved? 

All four of Northern Luri contributors are in the same organization 
("guest") and therefore: 

For each value, each organization gets a vote based on the maximum (not 
cumulative) strength of the votes of its users who voted on that item. 
That is, even if an organization has 10 Vetters voting for an value, if 
the highest level is regular vetter, then the vote count attributed to the 
organization as a whole is 4. 

 http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#TOC-Voting-Process 

↪ Shervin 

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com> wrote: 
So why 4 guest vote won't get the item approved?

What's the "TC"?

Who are the members of unicode organization? 

On 5/12/2015 9:15 PM, John Emmons wrote: 
Depending on the level of account you have, most things will fall into one 
of the following buckets: 

Guest accounts receive 1 vote.  Any data item with only 1 vote will stlil 
go into CLDR as draft="unconfirmed". 

Regular vetter accounts from Unicode member organizations receive 4 votes. 
 Most locales in CLDR only require 4 votes for the item to be 
draft="approved" ( which is the meaning when no draft status is 
specifically mentioned in the data ).  The only exceptions to this are the 
"high visibility" locales, ( examples would include things like German, 
French, Arabic, or Chinese ).  For these locales, 8 votes are required in 
order to make a change ( 2 set of eyes from 2 different organizations ). 

TC member accounts receive 20 votes, and are used only to resolve disputes 
when necessary, and also to vote on high visibility items that require a 
TC review.

Regards,

John C. Emmons
Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
IBM Software Group
Internet: emmo at us.ibm.com

From:        Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com> 
To:        Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com> 
Cc:        cldr-users at unicode.org 
Date:        05/11/2015 12:20 PM 
Subject:        Re: 4 Votes 
Sent by:        "CLDR-Users" <cldr-users-bounces at unicode.org> 

I asked "will" they be removed? and by that I mean will they get into svn 
repos or not?

On 5/11/2015 9:43 PM, Shervin Afshar wrote: 
They are not removed. If I'm not mistaken in interpreting the resolution 
rules[1], they end up being marked as "provisional". 

[1]: http://cldr.unicode.org/index/process#resolution_procedure 

↪ Shervin 

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Mjbmr <mjbmri at gmail.com> wrote: 
If we don't reach 4 votes till the end of ST close time, will they be 
removed?
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