Additional French Time Patterns ?

[Bérenger Enselme]

Well that was thorough !

You are right, the default should be with " h " as a separator, but it
won't look pretty in time tables: notice how the spaces around the "h" are
omitted in the schedules you posted.

But still, " h " is the best in my opinion. We've has complaints about the
":" separator in the python babel project too...

Thanks,
Béranger


On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Patrick Andries <
patrick.andries at xcential.com> wrote:

>
> Le 5 mai 2015 à 14 h 37, Bérenger Enselme a écrit :
>
> Hello,
>
> FWIW, that is not quite what the government of Canada recommends:http://www.bt-tb.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/btb.php?lang=fra&cont=1415
>
> What the document says is that in technical settings, such as time
> tables, "15:10" is the preferred format, whereas it should be written
> "15 h 10" elsewhere (in texts for example).
>
>
> This is indeed what Ramat says (I quoted him as my Canadian style guide)
> for time tables. But it is not the only way to write time tables. In fact,
> I don't recall this ":" notation in European French before computers
> started printing time tables for the public. In old paper « Indicateur des
> chemins de fer » (train schedules) in France, the separator between hours
> and minutes was in fact often a space... Most of the rest of the time, just
> a period : "12.32" as in the two links below for Belgium. The space or
> period convention were (are ?) also used in the Netherlands.
>
> This being said, recently train schedules in Belgium are using the default
> American styled ":" , but notice in the picture below how the delay is
> written with the 'h' notation (+0h26 in red)...
>
>
> http://www.sudinfo.be/sites/default/files/imagecache/pagallery_450x300/126036156_ID7008682_sncb_132431_H3GHYN_0.JPG
>
> Spaces and periods as common separators in Time tables in French speaking
> Europe :
>
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Indicateur_SG_1926_-_07c_-_CGB_Etampes-Arpajon.JPG/280px-Indicateur_SG_1926_-_07c_-_CGB_Etampes-Arpajon.JPG
> (French, space)
> http://ligne130a.blogs.dhnet.be/media/02/00/1874081299.JPG (Belgian)
> http://users.skynet.be/agpym/images/B42.JPG (Belgian, interesting also
> because the month is displayed as I learned it : Roman numerals to
> distinguish from days)
>
> The problem is one of context. Ramat also says that if the day of the week
> appears in full then the "h" notation should be used: "mercredi 13 h 15"
> thus.
>
> Now this is what Ramat and the Public Works of Canada site say, but the
> Quebec government site officially dealing with the French language says
> that the general format is "HH ' h ' mm" but it may **sometimes** be
> represented, for instance, in time tables as HH:mm.
>
> «L'heure peut *parfois *être représentée de façon entièrement numérique,
> par exemple dans les horaires des gares ou des aéroports. On se sert alors
> des deux-points pour séparer les heures et les minutes. »
>
> http://bdl.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/bdl/gabarit_bdl.asp?t1=1&id=1516
>
> This would suggest to me that the default is HH ' h ' mm and in some
> contexts (« sometimes ») HH:mm. But, arguably, this is debatable in a
> Canadian context.
>
> Other style guides (French and Swiss) don't even mention at all the ':'
> format, they only speak about the format with an ' h ' as separator.
>
> The ' 20 h 15' format is quite common for schedules in Europe.
>
> Film festival schedules :
>
>
> https://lesnuitsduchasseurdefilms.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/festival-cinema-venezuelien_horaires.jpg
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XyRuxVo9c9c/T3BPEI4w0qI/AAAAAAAAAeI/4lR2lMtRyek/s640/2.png
>
> Library :
>
> http://www.les-horaires.fr/image_horaires_760268.png
>
> Cinema/Movie theatre :
>
>
> http://www.etoile-cinemas.com/lilas/evenement/prog_Mon_P_tit_Cine_saison_5.jpg
>
> Bus :
>
> http://www.busratp.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/horaires-bus-30-paris2.png
> http://www.busratp.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/horaires-bus-28-ratp1.png
>
>
>
>
> P. A.
>
>
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