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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/16/2024 1:19 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso
via Unicode wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">--- Forwarded from Steffen Nurpmeso <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steffen@sdaoden.eu"><steffen@sdaoden.eu></a> ---
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:18:26 +0100
Author: Steffen Nurpmeso <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steffen@sdaoden.eu"><steffen@sdaoden.eu></a>
From: Steffen Nurpmeso <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steffen@sdaoden.eu"><steffen@sdaoden.eu></a>
To: Daphne Preston-Kendal <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dpk@nonceword.org"><dpk@nonceword.org></a>
Subject: Re: German sharp S uppercase mapping
Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:20241216211826.Dt3h2MaC@steffen%sdaoden.eu"><20241216211826.Dt3h2MaC@steffen%sdaoden.eu></a>
Daphne Preston-Kendal via Unicode wrote in
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:939AFA07-02CA-4980-B202-6374A3E99F62@nonceword.org"><939AFA07-02CA-4980-B202-6374A3E99F62@nonceword.org></a>:
|On 2 Dec 2024, at 11:19, Marius Spix via Unicode <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:unicode@corp.unicode.o\|rg"><unicode@corp.unicode.o\
|rg></a> wrote:
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|wrong in the first place.[.]
The thing is the reforms of the last republican century went into
the wrong direction. For example around 1900 there was "Oele sind
ölig", which today looks odd but isn't it a more aesthetic
experience than having an uppercase Umlaut. Necessarily the dots
above etc scratch at some upper baseline, astronomic. This is not
a music sheet of Bach (or other opulent classical composer).
There was Kenntniss "Knowledge" as-you-speak which was mutilated
to Kenntnis but remained Kenntnisse in plural for only technical
reasons.
Thran became Tran, that is surely because the people started using
solely the Tran of Switzerland, Ovomaltine it is, is it, and then
you say "aaaah, beautiful, Tran!!", instead. Same for Werthe,
which became Werte, ...</pre>
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<p>Sounds like a perfect argument based on conservatism for the sake
of it. When typesetting required paper, extremely tight layouts
were common to conserve resources. With very limited leading,
there was little space to place diacritics on top of capitals. The
solutions weren't universal, but for the umlaut it was not that
rare to find a font that placed a small e *inside* the capital
letter. <br>
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Nowadays, the designs tend to much larger interline spacing and
there's no penalty for placing an accent or umlaut on top of a
capital letter. So, the rationale for using a 'e' whether next to
or as part of the capital letter shape have evaporated. Instead,
since the times of the discussion in 1925 cited in an earlier
message, the sentiment that a 1:1 correspondence between lowercase
and uppercase letter is not only normal but desirable has only
increased.<br>
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All languages change over time and spelling tends to shed
redundant or inoperative letters, if and when they are no longer
useful. That firmly applies to the old-style th or tz in German,
where the 'h' or 't' were removed, respectively. These serve no
particular purpose, unlike the silent 'k' in English "knight",
which distinguishes the word from "night", at least in writing.<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">... which is only understandable if you have no
value left except money, it necessarily must be Werthe in all
other thinkable occasions. And then really, necessarily there is
not only eszett which is no(t) (longer) sz as the name es-zett
implies (wrongly referred to in Unicode, likely with malicious
anti-german intention), but a dedicated character, and it is
absolutely necessary to provide uppercase font mappings that bring
it all to the top regarding intransparent obviousness, and with
LiberationMono font i know which of ßẞ is, actually, uppercase.
Or make it ſs. I am fine with that. It is better than todays
world where so-called academic intellectual elite magazines which
run their text through automatic spell checkers produce more typos
and "hanging in the nowhere" sentences that police allows.
Other than that this is solely a polemic private opinion for sure.</pre>
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<p>The remainder of your post unfortunately descends into irrelevant
and opinionated editorializing, so there's little constructive to
add to in a reply.</p>
<p>A./<span style="white-space: pre-wrap">
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