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Hi Peter,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your references. However, I'm a bit confused with your
argument. Are you talking about the krul symbol or about icons in
general in the discussion with William?<br>
<br>
I can't find the word "icon" in the referred chapter 1 of Unicode
15.0, so I assume you refer to this text in the document:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Note, however, that the Unicode Standard
does not encode idiosyncratic, personal, novel,
or private-use characters, nor does it encode logos or graphics.</blockquote>
<br>
In case you refer to the "krul" character I want to propose: that is
neither an icon nor a personal or private-use character, nor a logo,
nor a graphics. At least not in the sence that it is not a graphical
representation of a physical object (like all examples I see on the
home page of <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://fontawesome.com/icons">https://fontawesome.com/icons</a>).<br>
<br>
If your argument is referring to the general use case, my apologies.
I do not have any opinion about that.<br>
<br>
With kind regards,<br>
Freek Dijkstra<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22-02-2024 20:07, Peter Constable
via Unicode wrote:<br>
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in practice an end user is likely to want to introduce the
krul character from a font. So encoding the krul character
in regular Unicode would be helpful to end users and in my
opinion being helpful to end users and consumers is what is
important in encoding decisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">By this line
of reasoning, every icon in any symbol font, such as
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://fontawesome.com/icons"
moz-do-not-send="true">Font Awesome</a> would be a
candidate for encoding. UTC has already explicitly decided
against that argument for encoding. Moreover, the
successful, widespread use of fonts like Font Awesome
clearly demonstrates that encoding in Unicode is not
necessary for users to easily use graphic symbols in
content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The Unicode
Standard encodes characters, where “character” is understood
to mean an element of textual content and the encoding is
intended for purposes of text processing. Not every graphic
element qualifies for encoding simply because it can be
presented using a font and placed in a text frame of a DTP
application.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Cf. <a
href="https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode15.0.0/ch01.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode15.0.0/ch01.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Unicode <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:unicode-bounces@corp.unicode.org"><unicode-bounces@corp.unicode.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William_J_G Overington via Unicode<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2024 5:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:unicode@corp.unicode.org">unicode@corp.unicode.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: What's the process for proposing a
symbol in the Unicode table?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">I wonder if the encoding rules
are no longer fit for purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">The encoding process should be
to be helpful to consumers, not to lead to an agreement to
restrict progress.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">I get the impression - and if
I have got it wrong please correct me - that if one were
using the krul character in a desktop publishing program
that the likely scenario is that there is a large
rectangular text frame filling most of the page and
containing text in the Dutch language, in, say, 14 point,
and there is in the right margin, near the lower edge of the
page, a small rectangular text frame into which the krul
character is inserted, quite possibly at a larger size than
the other text, at, say, 36 point or 48 point.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">Thus the krul character is not
within a line of running text involving other characters as
well as itself.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">I say that the fact that the
krul character is not within a line of running text
involving other characters as well as itself should not go
against the encoding of the krul character as a regular
Unicode character.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">This is because, in practice
an end user is likely to want to introduce the krul
character from a font. So encoding the krul character in
regular Unicode would be helpful to end users and in my
opinion being helpful to end users and consumers is what is
important in encoding decisions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">William Overington</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:18.0pt">Monday 19 February 2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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