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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This Unicode list is for general
discussions of people interested in Unicode. It is not a way to
reach "Unicode members". There's a firm policy of not treating
anything discussed here as "official" in any way.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">That said, the list is often used to
get an informal read on some issue. Not excluding getting an idea
whether a proposal or suggestion has a chance of succeeding (and
also, what is the best way to describe the issue).</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">As to the latter: very few people will
know offhand whether 10C8A is already encoded, is in the process
of being encoded or merely proposed. So it's always useful to
provide that information in discussion or document submissions.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Character or normative script names
can't be changed after the fact (and changes are also increasingly
restricted in the latest stages of the process, to make sure
things converge). And that's why, ultimately, names are not
guaranteed to be "correct" from a linguistic perspective.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I find the original mail hard to parse,
and have difficulties understanding what is being asked (and why).
It seems to include adding an annotation, which is fine, but one
that I find hard to understand. Phonetically, "closed" has a
certain meaning and usually in character names, that's the meaning
we would attribute to the term "closed". If, in this case, the
term "closed" is based on something else, like a typographical
feature, then an annotation that says that would be helpful. If
that is not the issue, it would be just more evidence that the
presentation of the issue is impenetrable.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">As for describing the script. At some
point, the formal name ends up not being perfect for some scripts.
However, if the problem is in the discussion, or in an annotation
in the nameslist, we are not constrained by stability concerns and
should accommodate a more precise/more agreeable description.
However, the original e-mail fails to make an actual suggestion
for language, and fails to identify precisely where such language
should be used.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">An actual submission will have more
success if it is clearer in all the aspects mentioned and
separates proposed changes clearly from the background discussions
/ rationale.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">A./<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2023 12:38 AM, kovacs.h.viktor
via Unicode wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-size:16px">Peter, I don't think that I
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<div id="edo-meta">On 2023. júl. 19. at 9:12, Peter
Constable <<a href="mailto:pgcon6@msn.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">pgcon6@msn.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Latin script is not used for only
Latin. We shouldn’t get too hung up on the names.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Unicode
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:unicode-bounces@corp.unicode.org"><unicode-bounces@corp.unicode.org></a> on
behalf of Kovács Viktor via Unicode
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:unicode@corp.unicode.org"><unicode@corp.unicode.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 7:31 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:unicode@corp.unicode.org">unicode@corp.unicode.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:unicode@corp.unicode.org"><unicode@corp.unicode.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Old Hungarian closed e and
naming of Old Hungarian standard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Dear
members of Unicode comitte,</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt">There are a
problematic symbol form 10C8A (capital) and 10CCA
(small) letters „closed E”.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt">Critics start from
the misconception that the sound of these letters
is closed. Unfortunately, this interpretation has
been included in the standard under the alias of
the letter ë.</span><br>
<span style="font-size:14.0pt">In the Rudimenta
example texts (prayers) there are words that
contain the closed form of the letter e, the
reading of which is perfectly clear to native
Hungarian readers.</span><br>
<span style="font-size:13.5pt">I propose to add the
alias "Rudimenta e with closed form" to the upper
and lower case "closed e" at 10C8A and 10CCA.</span><br>
<span style="font-size:13.5pt">The shape of these
letters should not be changed.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt">If necessary, I will
present a submission with pictures to prove my
point.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;line-height:115%">In
any form, the use of the adjective
"Szekler-Hungarian rovas script" is incorrect, as
it was not used only in Szeklerland.
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;line-height:115%">It
is also politically critical, as Szeklerland (or
Székelyland) is the easternmost part of
Transylvania, Transylvania being part of Romania
since 1919.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;line-height:115%">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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