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<p>I'm willing to go out on a limb and assert this is out of scope
for Unicode, and even for every other standards body I've heard
of. The way these things get standardized is by adoption by the
industry as good ideas (and deep pockets) compete. So if you want
something like this standardized, go for it: market your products
with it (or convince someone who makes products.) It's not really
for here. Have fun.</p>
<p>~mark<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/18/22 09:34, William_J_G
Overington via Unicode wrote:<br>
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<p>> <span style="display: inline;">There might be something
to this. Some semi-standardized set of keyboard layouts and
input methods that can be immediately and temporarily
activated in nearly any state of the computer, by a
well-known keystroke or menu or whatever, ...</span></p>
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<p>How about</p>
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<p>CONTROL 7</p>
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<p>for activating from a keyboard,</p>
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<p>and by clicking the logo as in the attached graphics file
for activating by clicking a logo on a start up screen.</p>
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<p>The use of CONTROL 7 would be capable of being extended to
clicking on</p>
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<p>CONTROL (the digit for 7 in any script)</p>
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<p>I appreciate that if a language uses a different set of
letters from those used for English yet uses the same set of
digit glyphs as does English then something extra is needed.</p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">> so you need to know how
to type your password in *one* of them and how to select
it, and then you can just click it out on an emulated
keyboard onscreen (or better, have the keyboard actually
remap itself.)</span><br>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">Yes, always getting the
emoji keyboard and another keyboard. Perhaps the other
keyboard could be changed by clicking on a flag from
amongst a display of flags.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">> </span><span
style="display: inline;">Kind of tricky to get the details
right and decide on what and how and all;</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">Yes.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">></span><span
style="display: inline;"> the market and vendors will
probably have to converge</span></p>
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</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline;">Yes.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">> (slowly)</span></p>
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<p><span style="">Well, if CONTROL 7 and my suggested logo are
used to get started, either or both could be retained or
replaced as consensus emerges, and using CONTROL 7 and my
suggested logo is independent of each of the vendors, so a
level start for trying to reach a consensus, so a
possibility for a prompt start.</span></p>
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</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline;">> on some consensus.</span></p>
<p><span style="display: inline;"><br>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">Yes.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">> No, Unicode can't
dictate this as a standard,</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">Well, I don't think that
Unicode Inc. *dictates* anything does it.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">> it's out of scope for
Unicode,</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">For people to use a computer
system to produce, say, stories and poems in their own
language using Unicode and safely conserve them on a
shared system, the people need to be able to get onto the
computer system. So for me, a standardized, though
optional, way to conveniently enter a password into a
computer in order to be able to apply Unicode to produce,
say, stories and poems, is part of the goal of helping
people to use their own language on computer systems.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">But it is not a matter for
me to decide whether it is or is not in scope for Unicode
Inc. to be involved in publishing a password entry format
for computer systems.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">But anyway, if Unicode Inc.
were to take this topic on then it would probably help it
become implemented much faster than it would otherwise be
implemented, if indeed it ever would be implemented
otherwise.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">> and pretty much every
other standards organization too:</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">I don't know one way or the
other.</span></p>
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<p><span style="display: inline;">> there is no standard
dictating user interface. Just some popular conventions
that have become fairly universal.</span><br>
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<p>Well some of user interface is product styling, so not for
standardizing at all.</p>
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<p>So, thank you for your input, progress is being made as we
iterate towards a solution.</p>
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<p>William Overington</p>
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<p>Monday 18 April 2022</p>
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