<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> </head> <body><div class="auto-created-dir-div" dir="auto" style="unicode-bidi: embed;"><span style="">Mark E. Shoulson wrote:</span><br><p><br></p><p>> <span style="display: inline;">There might be something to this. Some semi-standardized set of keyboard layouts and input methods that can be immediately and temporarily activated in nearly any state of the computer, by a well-known keystroke or menu or whatever, ...</span></p><div><p><br></p><p>How about</p><p><br></p><p>CONTROL 7</p><p><br></p><p>for activating from a keyboard,</p><p><br></p><p>and by clicking the logo as in the attached graphics file for activating by clicking a logo on a start up screen.</p><p><br></p><p>The use of CONTROL 7 would be capable of being extended to clicking on</p><p><br></p><p>CONTROL (the digit for 7 in any script)</p><p><br></p><p>I appreciate that if a language uses a different set of letters from those used for English yet uses the same set of digit glyphs as does English then something extra is needed.</p><p><span style=""><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> so you need to know how to type your password in *one* of them and how to select it, and then you can just click it out on an emulated keyboard onscreen (or better, have the keyboard actually remap itself.)</span><br></p><p><br></p><p><span style="display: inline;">Yes, always getting the emoji keyboard and another keyboard. Perhaps the other keyboard could be changed by clicking on a flag from amongst a display of flags.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> </span><span style="display: inline;">Kind of tricky to get the details right and decide on what and how and all;</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">Yes.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">></span><span style="display: inline;"> the market and vendors will probably have to converge</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">Yes.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> (slowly)</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="">Well, if CONTROL 7 and my suggested logo are used to get started, either or both could be retained or replaced as consensus emerges, and using CONTROL 7 and my suggested logo is independent of each of the vendors, so a level start for trying to reach a consensus, so a possibility for a prompt start.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> on some consensus.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">Yes.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> No, Unicode can't dictate this as a standard,</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">Well, I don't think that Unicode Inc. *dictates* anything does it.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> it's out of scope for Unicode,</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">For people to use a computer system to produce, say, stories and poems in their own language using Unicode and safely conserve them on a shared system, the people need to be able to get onto the computer system. So for me, a standardized, though optional, way to conveniently enter a password into a computer in order to be able to apply Unicode to produce, say, stories and poems, is part of the goal of helping people to use their own language on computer systems.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">But it is not a matter for me to decide whether it is or is not in scope for Unicode Inc. to be involved in publishing a password entry format for computer systems.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">But anyway, if Unicode Inc. were to take this topic on then it would probably help it become implemented much faster than it would otherwise be implemented, if indeed it ever would be implemented otherwise.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> and pretty much every other standards organization too:</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">I don't know one way or the other.</span></p><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p><span style="display: inline;">> there is no standard dictating user interface. Just some popular conventions that have become fairly universal.</span><br></p><span style=""></span><p><span style="display: inline;"><br></span></p><p>Well some of user interface is product styling, so not for standardizing at all.</p><p><br></p><p>So, thank you for your input, progress is being made as we iterate towards a solution.</p><p><br></p><p>William Overington</p><p><br></p><p>Monday 18 April 2022</p><p><br></p></div></div> </body></html>