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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/23/21 2:49 PM, Shawn Steele via
      Unicode wrote:<br>
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            style="font-family:"Bierstadt",sans-serif">Note
            that Microsoft provided a pIqaD version of the Bing
            translator as part of the Klingon translation, using the PUA
            conscript codepoints.  It was ‘my’ font, though it was also
            available for free.  It was up for years, though as
            developers working on it moved it isn’t currently up.  But
            Microsoft had an agreement
          </span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
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            style="font-family:"Bierstadt",sans-serif">  (I
            know there are translation quality issues, that’s out of my
            control).</span></p>
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    Yeah, I was hoping maybe someone in Microsoft could help me find the
    right people to talk to at Paramount.<br>
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            style="font-family:"Bierstadt",sans-serif">There
            was a brief conversation of the encoding at that time, but,
            like Mark’s efforts, it didn’t really get to the right
            people to sign off.</span></p>
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            style="font-family:"Bierstadt",sans-serif">I do
            think that Mark makes some good points about the current
            language of the rejection perhaps being a bit off-putting
            for any future discussions should someone be able to contact
            the right person at Paramount.  IMO, perhaps it would be
            good to formally propose it again, and get a rejection that
            explicitly notes the primary concern is around the IP.  And
            hopefully doesn’t otherwise impugn the worthiness of the
            proposal.</span></p>
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    <p>I *did* propose it again! 
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20181-klingon.pdf">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20181-klingon.pdf</a>  Again, I
      appreciate your sympathy, but when even your friends keep telling
      you to do things you've already done, as though they never
      happened, it's frustrating.<br>
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    <p>So I proposed it, and indeed I was again told (informally) that
      the IP is the sticking point (but the official document voted on,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2001/01212-RejectKlingon.html">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2001/01212-RejectKlingon.html</a>, is
      still about "dignity.")  Various past rejections, when they were
      recorded in the minutes (I don't think they always were) *did*
      indeed say that IP was the main problem, and I'll have to look
      back to see if they were explicit about what exactly Paramount
      needs to agree to, since apparently I don't understand that as
      well as I thought I did. The official response to 20-181?  It's at
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20172.htm">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20172.htm</a>, and says, "UTC took no
      action."</p>
    <p>So, "formally propose it again"?  Check.  "Get a rejection that
      explicitly notes..."?  That isn't up to me, and I guess that's why
      I'm speaking up here.<br>
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    ~mark<br>
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