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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's great advice, and indeed that's
exactly what I tried to do with
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16329-piqad-returns.pdf">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16329-piqad-returns.pdf</a> a few
years back (and it looks like I even used the xx00 convention
too). And I asked then if it was convincing. And if it isn't
convincing, let me know and I'll see what else I can find. Sorry,
Asmus, I know you've been mostly sympathetic all along, it just
feels a little frustrating to be advised (not just by you) to do
exactly what I've already done, as if it never happened. It's in
the registry, I know it should have been looked at. The latest
proposal, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20181-klingon.pdf">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20181-klingon.pdf</a>,
explicitly linked to it. Has there been any recognition of
sufficiency or insufficiency of evidence? There seemed to be some
informal agreement from some people in the email thread back in
2016,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2016-m11/thread.html#86">https://unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2016-m11/thread.html#86</a>,
and then, too, I was asking if Klingon could at least be taken off
the "rejected" list since it couldn't be accepted.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Candara">Strong evidence of
widespread use and strong evidence that can support the
supposition that this use will not be a flash in the pan, but
continue for decades.</font></blockquote>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The first proposal for Klingon
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://std.dkuug.dk/JTC1/sc2/WG2/docs/n1643/n1643.htm">http://std.dkuug.dk/JTC1/sc2/WG2/docs/n1643/n1643.htm</a>) dates from
1997. There are people using it today who were not born then.
Does that count?</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Do you think that
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16329-piqad-returns.pdf">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16329-piqad-returns.pdf</a> does
*not* provide some evidence that the situation re: use of Klingon
has changed materially? It's hard to see that position, but we
can at least discuss it. Evidence *has* been provided to try to
make the point, as requested.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">~mark<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/21 8:29 PM, Asmus Freytag via
Unicode wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2021 4:18 PM, Ken Whistler
via Unicode wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:2330acdb-cf67-abb7-58f1-2f3bee18e08e@sonic.net">In any
case, my advice is to stop worrying about the status in the
roadmap, and work instead on making the convincing case for
encoding. I realize that honor is of high value in Klingon
society, but it doesn't actually figure that much in UTC
decisions. <span class="moz-smiley-s3" title=";-)"><span>;-)</span></span></blockquote>
<p><font face="Candara">Mark,<br>
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<p><font face="Candara">I'm not vested in the outcome of the
decision about Klingon one way or the other, but I heartily
endorse this statement by Ken.</font></p>
<p><font face="Candara">Strong evidence of widespread use and
strong evidence that can support the supposition that this use
will not be a flash in the pan, but continue for decades.</font></p>
<p><font face="Candara">Note the focus on evidence. The harder the
better.<br>
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<p><font face="Candara">And if you have evidence that the
situation re: use of Klingon has changed materially since that
early decision, that would further weigh in favor of taking
this up.</font></p>
<p><font face="Candara">A./<br>
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