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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/21/2020 11:05 AM, abrahamgross---
via Unicode wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The only reason why things like <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>italics<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> or <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>italics<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> are around is because of the lack of real italics. I would go as far as to say that the very existence of <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>italics<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> in plain text shows that theres a real need for italics when writing plain text.
This is a workaround around a real problem of the lack of italics if I've ever seen oneā¦</pre>
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<p>Actually, simple markup conventions like that mostly date from
early days of email, when plain text (and usually just ASCII at
that) were all you got. (By the way, the most usual interpretation
of those is _underscore_, /italic/, and *bold*, but whatever.)</p>
<p>Nowadays, presto chango, most email clients support rich text (in
HTML, usually), and you get to <u>underscore</u>, <i>italicize</i>,
and <b>bold</b> your text correctly whenever you want to, and
even change the font size to <font size="+1">SHOUT</font>, if you
want.</p>
<p>Some folks here seem to be viewing the "problem" here the wrong
way round. The issue isn't that plain text cannot preserve all the
"meaning" conveyed in writing systems. When dealing with meaning
conveyed with conventions that involve styling, font change, <font
color="#ff0080">color</font> and such, you simply depend on
properly tiered text architecture and build support for that in
rich text and markup. It is ass-backwards to try to continue to
clot up plain text as the backbone of text interchange by trying
to import all the complications of styling directly into it as if
that representation were a plain text issue -- it isn't.</p>
<p>Instead the <b>real</b> problem here is that in some
communication contexts that should be supporting rich text,
implementations are still restricting people to plain text when
what they really want is easily accessible and dependable rich
text to convey more nuances accurately (or just to be more
expressive). If Twitter is half-assed about supporting text
styling, then direct your concerns in the proper direction. You
don't fix Twitter's or texting apps' use of text by trying to
force styling into the Unicode encoding of plain text.</p>
<p>--Ken<br>
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