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<p class="MsoNormal">Anybody can pick up the cause of a proposal if they want. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There was some discussion of Karl Pentzlin’s proposal, L2/11-153, at
<a href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2011/11115.htm">UTC 127</a>. John Cowan provided short feedback (<a href="https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2011/11185-cowan-epa.txt">L2/11-185</a>). Notes I recorded at the time were to the effect that UTC hadn’t seen any clear
evidence of any need to encode new characters for the English Phonotypic Alphabet. Note that, over the 19<sup>th</sup> and 20<sup>th</sup> centuries, there were many times when different Latin-based conventions were proposed and, sometimes, even adopted for
a short time by some users, but UTC doesn’t always decide to encode things that didn’t survive in usage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Unicode <unicode-bounces@unicode.org> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Fredrick Brennan via Unicode<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> unicode@unicode.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> The Pitman English phonotypic alphabet and L2/11-153, L2/11-225<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hello friends<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am working with Mr Ramachandran Rajaram on a proposal for the encoding of Pitman shorthand in Unicode.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The history of this shorthand is such that the consonants and vowels can be related to the English Phonotypic Alphabet, also created by Sir Isaac Pitman. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This alphabet was used to write several publications, including the below "The Phonetic News" (1849):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="https://twitter.com/gaskell_beth/status/1318267991667167234">https://twitter.com/gaskell_beth/status/1318267991667167234</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There was a proposal to encode this by Mr Karl Pentzlin docketed as L2/11-153. After a comment it was followed up by another revised proposal, sent by the German national body,
L2/11-225.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This proposal has good attestation for all requested characters so I am trying to figure out why this proposal failed. Because Mr Pentzlin seems to no longer participate, could
the proposal be adopted by someone else, that is to say, me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Among the characters that were not encoded are Latin capital letter round top A, which the German NB proposed for U+A7AE, now occupied by an unrelated character. Without this
character I am having trouble type setting my document and I'm needing to use the private use area.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am hoping that someone who is an expert in Unicode can help me find out why this proposal failed and what needs to be changed in it so that it can finally be accepted. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">While it is not in theory a requirement that the proposal be accepted to encode Pitman shorthand, because the two are so historically linked it would be preferable if I could
show the phonotypic version of each shorthand glyph. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Fred Brennan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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