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Yup, I agree...Lisa<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/30/2020 8:11 PM, Peter Constable
via Unicode wrote:<br>
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Unicore <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:unicore-bounces@unicode.org"><unicore-bounces@unicode.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tex via Unicore<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Markus Scherer'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:markus.icu@gmail.com"><markus.icu@gmail.com></a>; 'John Hudson'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john@tiro.ca"><john@tiro.ca></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:unicore@unicode.org">unicore@unicode.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Proposed letters, 0C5B & 0C5C,
in Telugu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">“</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Writing
systems are shared by multiple languages and multiple
traditions, past and present.”<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">That
statement should be a key point made prominently (and
repeatedly) in introductions to Unicode, scripts, etc.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is an
underlying foundation that needs to be understood and it
mitigates the many objections based on personal or community
experiences.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Well
stated Markus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Unicore [<a href="mailto:unicore-bounces@unicode.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:unicore-bounces@unicode.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Markus Scherer via Unicore<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Hudson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> unicore UnicoRe Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Proposed letters, 0C5B & 0C5C, in
Telugu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM John
Hudson via Unicore <<a
href="mailto:unicore@unicode.org" moz-do-not-send="true">unicore@unicode.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">there is a reasonable, general
question to ask about sufficiency of
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attestation when it comes to very rare characters that
might only occur <br>
in one or two texts, perhaps the invention of a single
author, not <br>
embraced by any subsequent tradition of use. And one
response to that <br>
question is 'Any attestation is sufficient', which has
the benefit of <br>
removing the need to come up with applicable critieria
of sufficiency <br>
that would need to be considered on a case-by-case
basis.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Right. As far as I understand, there
are thousands of Chinese characters that have been used
very rarely, or even just once in a dictionary or in a
database of person names. They are real, they are
encoded, but they are not common.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Implementers have to make choices,
and sometimes it makes sense to support a subset.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If a font or keyboard vendor wants to
support the entire Sinhala
<i><u>script</u></i>, then they will have glyphs for all
relevant code points -- whether inside or outside the
Sinhala block -- and all relevant
<i>sequences</i>, and punctuation, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If someone cares to only support the
subset needed for common, modern use of the Sinhala
<i><u>language</u></i>, then they can define such
subsets or look for organizations that have defined
them. (E.g., Unicode CLDR has sets of "exemplar
characters" for many languages.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I understand a visceral reaction of
"this does not belong". I was originally not in favor of
adding a
<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%E1%BA%9E"
moz-do-not-send="true">capital sharp s</a> (Latin
script, German language) because it was not part of the
German orthography and wasn't taught in school etc.
However, it clearly existed and was used, and once
evidence was presented showing that it was more than
using a lowercase ß in all-caps words, it got added to
the Unicode standard, and the official orthography now
acknowledges it (as optional).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Writing systems are shared by
multiple languages and multiple traditions, past and
present.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">markus<o:p></o:p></p>
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