Position of the registered sign

[Piotr Karocki]

Are you sure that ® always mean “Registered in U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office”?
E.g., do you think that ® in some EU-company context also means registered
in US? Not in EU?


-----Original Message-----
From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-bounces at corp.unicode.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Constable via Unicode
Sent: Wednesday, 18 September 2024 10:59
To: Peter Constable; Ivan Panchenko; unicode at corp.unicode.org
Subject: RE: Position of the registered sign

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1111:

a registrant of a mark registered in the Patent and Trademark Office, may
give notice that his mark is registered by displaying with the mark the
words “Registered in U.S. Patent and Trademark Office” or “Reg. U.S. Pat. &
Tm. Off.” or the letter R enclosed within a circle, thus ®;


In point of fact, writing “Unicode®”, however the symbol appears, is legally
equivalent in the US to "Unicode Registered in U.S. Pat. & Tm. Off."



P.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Constable <pgcon6 at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 1:52 AM
To: Ivan Panchenko <ivanpan3 at gmail.com>; unicode at corp.unicode.org
Subject: RE: Position of the registered sign

The US Code Title 17, section 401 specifies simply

	the symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word “Copyright”, or the
abbreviation “Copr.”;

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap4.html

I don't think any US court is likely to support a claim that superscripting
of the symbol is semantically significant.


Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Unicode <unicode-bounces at corp.unicode.org> On Behalf Of Ivan Panchenko
via Unicode
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 12:15 PM
To: unicode at corp.unicode.org
Subject: Re: Position of the registered sign

To make it clear: There is a semantic difference because superscripting
makes it an annotation. Simply writing “Unicode®” with the circle on the
baseline seems wrong to me because it is like writing “UnicodeReg. U.S. Pat.
& Tm. Off.”.

Another discrepancy that I noticed concerns the hourglass emojis.
Originally, there was just one (⌛, U+231B). The reference glyph shows all of
the sand below, in some designs, however, the sand is still flowing. Now
that we have U+23F3 (⏳, hourglass with flowing sand), it would make sense
that U+231B is shown without flowing sand; in some designs, however, this is
not the case (perhaps to remain consistent with how it was before) and
U+23F3 has a greater proportion of the sand at the top.