German sharp S uppercase mapping

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Hello.

Asmus Freytag wrote in
 <eabf526d-bbaf-47e9-af2c-2038e78b05b2 at ix.netcom.com>:
 |On 11/30/2024 4:44 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
 |> Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote in
 |>   <PH0PR03MB66061D162A125F81B97F312ECA2B2 at PH0PR03MB6606.namprd03.prod.out\
 |>   l\
 |>   ook.com>:
 |>|Thanks to Asmus for saying what I had planned to say, except that his \
 |>|was better-worded, more carefully put together, and more authoritative.
 |>|
 |>|Casing for text meant for human readers should follow current local \
 |>|conventions.
 |>|
 |>|Casing for text meant for machine processing (file systems, databases, \
 |>|etc.) must remain stable, even when local conventions change.
 |>
 |> Sorry that makes totally no sense to me.
 |
 |Because you probably have never considered what havoc would be caused by 

Well this thread has become over my head anyway.  I am not
a linguist, not a Germanist, i have not followed this path;
It is only i feel pain if poets -- so-called, and not so-called,
this gets philosophic now, and political, in modern times, when
one can say the most terrible aggressive nonsense and wish death
to people, and all that without being silenced, whereas even the
world-wide known Documenta art exhibition had to first cover and
then remove an image which was interpreted as being antisemitic
(in a crowd of policemen with helmets and baton one could (well,
a bit, but indeed) be seen aka viewed as a Jew aka Israel, and we
know they are not policemen.  It *could* be that was what they did
not like.), start to decompose the German language.
It always changed, over the centuries, the "Teutsch" that it was
centuries ago is very different from what is known as German
today.  That much is plain.  Very different.
Today too much english is entering, and i for one still totally
dislike the last spelling reform, it was one of my "turn off head
here" moments.  (Like, about almost a decade before that one, i as
a very good pupil who loved to learn Latin went on the "tin drum"
path and turned away from Latin, once a CDU (right republican)
state secretary gave a talk show interview in all Latin, and
i still can here the wonderful Lea Rosh (jew btw) say "*Ich*
verstehe Sie, aber was ist mit den Menschen da draußen?" (i
understand you, but what is with the people out there?), so, not
to "waver in the wind like the grain" (is that Binding?),
i stopped supporting Latin, which was a costly decision.  Anyhow.

 |changing in mid-stream anything about the processing of identifiers and 
 |similar strings that are not text, but unambiguous references to 
 |domains, files or other resources.

But that .. not.  You know, if Unicode aware software *really*
uses code points with such special properties in a form that can
lead to ambiguities later on, it is just more dumb than i am.
And .. is it??

 |(You can make some changes when you create a new domain and set rules 
 |for it for the first time, but that's about it).
 |
 |> I would, however, not bring in uppercase sharp S for quite some
 |> time.  But at some time, or when really the SS would be banned "in
 |> all Germans" which are used as official languages, sooner that is,
 |> then the current Unicode data would be just wrong.
 |
 |Good luck banning SS in "all Germans".

I never had the intention.  If the Swiss people like to write
Missstand, they can do so.  It is likely easier to speak out than
Mißstand when your belly is full of Raclette cheese!!!

 |You probably did not consider the fact that German written in 
 |Switzerland only uses ss and SS and therefore banning SS would be more 
 |than confusing. It would needless compromise a well accepted local 
 |orthography.

No!!!  I have been well introduced to the Swiss:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAKk8IcLo18

 |German written in Germany has undergone a transition, and as partially 
 |as a result of / but mostly in parallel to that transition, we see a 
 |secondary shift in capitalization away from a typewriter / telegraph 
 |inspired fallback to a more natural way of writing where all letters 
 |have a case pair and casing is reversible.

Hm.  Who says that?  I think, but i definetely would hope for,
after waiting some years, some sense is coming back, you know.
Frenziness, greed, hypocrisy, lies, and all that, that is not
a sane foundation for a society.  That, who would have believed
*that*, is already written down in "the book" of the (jews and)
christians.  Really.  I hope for some kind of re-re-education.
At the moment, however, it looks as if that could then lead into
the totally wrong direction, from my very own point of view, of
course.  Regardless, i think good German will have a renaissance.
(Away from "Fack ju Göhte".  To "more light!", to say with Göthe.)

 |  The same cannot be said for Swiss German. There's not been a similar 
 |transition, which would have needed to start with lower case usage. As 
 |long as the Swiss don't use ß, I can't see them banning "SS".

Yes, in my opinion Unicode cannot (should not that is) do anything
unless this is unambiguous.  It seems there are still swiss humans
alive who have grown up with that letter.(?)
I, to say it again, would not implement any immediate change.
I would possibly look into this issue in a few years from now on.
And who knows, maybe German goes back to sz even, i think slavonic
languages still use that, and Germans are at least historically
bound to or related with the slavonic world, in not small parts.

--steffen
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