L2/20-213 Hand with palm facing up and Hand with palm facing down for Unicode 14.0
wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com
Wed Sep 23 06:52:53 CDT 2020
I have yesterday sent formal comment on the proposal to the Unicode
Except for the final sentence and the change of date, the formal comment
is the same text as in my original post.
The final sentence of the formal comment is as follows.
So could there be three new emoji for these hand gestures rather than
just the two in the proposal please?
Wednesday 23 September 2020
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From: "wjgo_10009--- via Unicode" <unicode at unicode.org>
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Sent: Friday, 2020 Sep 18 At 19:10
Subject: L2/20-213 Hand with palm facing up and Hand with palm facing
down for Unicode 14.0
I refer to the following document.
Hand with palm facing up and Hand with palm facing down for Unicode 14.0
The meaning of the proposed emoji 'Hand with palm facing down' is fine.
My own experience is that this is quite formal.
For example, as in the following.
“Good evening ma’am, may I have the pleasure of this dance?” and offers
his right hand, palm down, as if in a formal ballroom setting.
The meaning of the proposed emoji 'Hand with palm facing up' as "drop,
go away, drop it, put down" does not correspond with my own personal
experience, though the concept mentioned later in the document of "Palm
up can indicate a lack of knowledge" does in the sense of "Who knows!",
though I do not understand quite what "Palm up can indicate a lack of
knowledge cross-linguistically" means. But my lack of experience of the
meanings stated in the document is no reason whatsoever not to encode
the proposed meanings for that hand gesture.
However, I am thinking that the proposed 'Hand with palm facing up'
could be renamed as 'Hand with palm facing up with fingers upward' and a
third emoji 'Hand with palm facing up with fingers downward' added.
For me, 'Hand with palm facing up with fingers downward' is a common
gesture, such as inviting a visitor to home or office (in antepandemicum
times and hopefully in the future) to sit down and make himself or
herself comfortable, or to indicate "after you" when two lanes of road
traffic are merging at road works, or "please proceed" when letting a
car from a side road into queued road traffic. The custom being that the
other driver raises his or her hand in acknowledgement and thanks.
For another example, going into a restaurant (in antepandemicum times
and hopefully in the future) early evening when all of the trade at that
time of day appears to be take-aways, and asking if one can have a sit
down meal at present (as one is going direct from work to an evening
institute meeting) and the manager indicating 'yes certainly' in speech
and by a palm up fingers downward gesture towards the empty seated area
of the restaurant.
So should there be three new emoji for these hand gestures rather than
just the two in the proposal?
Friday 18 September 2020
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