Unicode 11 Georgian uppercase vs. fonts

[Alexey Ostrovsky via Unicode]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Michael Everson via Unicode <
unicode at unicode.org> wrote:

> You have me to thank for undoing that mistake. And some other mistakes. We
> all make mistakes.
>

I would like to avoid personal discussions if possible.


> > Those institutes were consulted. I met with representatives of both of
> them on my trip to Tbilisi to work with the font designers who spearheaded
> this project. The analysis in N4712 is correct.
>

Could you please comment how the samples in photos prove that it is not
small caps? N4712 does not contain analysis on that, only statements.
(Simple assertions that it is correct will add nothing to what is already
stated in N4712.)


> So don’t go quoting me in 2003 in order to argue against me in 2016.
>

I will quote what I think is appropriate, please. Also, note that the quote
was made to demonstrate that N4712 denies what was stated in N2608R2,
introduces some changes, and then re-asserts some of denied statements.


> > — "This statement was not correct."
> > At the same time, §8 on successful implementation of the proposal in
> question: "Within a sentence a given word might be written IN ALL CAPS
> (MTAVRULI) for emphasis. An entire sentence or header may also be written
> in Mtavruli." And all the sample photos of the modern books and journals
> demonstrate exactly the same behavior as described in N2608R2: "
> Mtavruli-style is used in titles, newspaper headlines, and other kinds of
> headings".
> > (I can provide more information if needed)
>
> The mistake in interpretation is yours. Here:
> 1) Latin script cases. It has capital letters and small letters.
> 1a) English orthography uses capital letters at the beginnings of
> sentences and of names and of the names of the months and weekdays.
> Sometimes ALL CAPS are used.
> 1b) French orthography uses capital letters at the beginnings of sentences
> and of names but not at the beginnings of the names of the months and
> weekdays. Sometimes ALL CAPS are used.
> 1c) German orthography uses capital letters at the beginnings of sentences
> and of names and of the names of the months and weekdays. Sometimes ALL
> CAPS are used, but not in Fraktur font styles.
>

???


> 2) Georgian script cases. It has capital letters and small letters.
> 2a) When Georgian orthography uses capital letters it uses them on every
> letter in the word where they are used, regardless of what kind of word it
> is.
>

This is the same as small caps style, it cannot be used to assert existence
of cases.


> 2b) In the 19th and early 20th century there was an orthography which used
> capital letters at the beginnings of sentences and of names, as well as
> full-word ALL CAPS.
>

No, there were attempts in some books.


> > The key question is whether Georgian is caseless or not in plain text
> encoding, and N2608R2 does not provide any evidence for casing in modern
> Georgian.
> N2608R2 was written in 2003 and has been superceded by N4712. Mtavruli is
> ALL CAPS. Mtavruli is not small caps.

<...>

> Mtavruli is not small caps. Mtavruli is ALL CAPS.



This is the key statement. How can you prove that?

Sincerely,
Alex.
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