The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

Shawn Steele Shawn.Steele at
Thu Nov 10 12:33:55 CST 2016

More generally, does that mean that alphabets with perceived owners will only be considered for encoding with permission from those owner(s)?  What if the ownership is ambiguous or unclear?

Getting permission may be a lot of work, or cost money, in some cases.  Will applications be considered pending permission, perhaps being provisionally approved until such permission is received?

Is there specific language that Unicode would require from owners to be comfortable in these cases?  It makes little sense for a submitter to go through a complex exercise to request permission if Unicode is not comfortable with the wording of the permission that is garnered.  Are there other such agreements that could perhaps be used as templates?

Historically, the message pIqaD supporters have heard from Unicode has been that pIqaD is a toy script that does not have enough use.  The new proposal attempts to respond to those concerns, particularly since there is more interest in the script now.  Now, additional (valid) concerns are being raised.

In Mark’s case it seems like it would be nice if Unicode could consider the rest of the proposal and either tentatively approve it pending Paramount’s approval, or to provide feedback as to other defects in the proposal that would need addressed for consideration.  Meanwhile Mark can figure out how to get Paramount’s agreement.


From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-bounces at] On Behalf Of Peter Constable
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:49 PM
To: Mark E. Shoulson <mark at>; David Faulks <davidj_faulks at>
Cc: Unicode Mailing List <unicode at>
Subject: RE: The (Klingon) Empire Strikes Back

From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-bounces at] On Behalf Of Mark E. Shoulson
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 1:18 PM
> At any rate, this isn't Unicode's problem…

You saying that potential IP issues are not Unicode’s problem does not in fact make it not a problem. A statement in writing from authorized Paramount representatives stating it would not be a problem for either Unicode, its members or implementers of Unicode would make it not a problem for Unicode.

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