"Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes for novices

[Philippe Verdy]

Not just maps, but documentations. Ski resorts deliver many documentations,
including those explaining security rules or promoting their equipement.
And they are used on signs (the pistes themselves are not colored, the snow
is still white !).

In fact maps are the least common use of these symbols (there are far less
maps available), and skiers don't have to follow a map when they practice
their sport, they follow the signs. You'll find a large map display only in
stations, and poor rough maps on documentations not showing many details
seen on the terrain (and constantly varying across the seasons or with the
weather conditions, so a map will not really help). But it's more important
to train people about the signalisation they'll encounter.

2015-05-28 23:56 GMT+02:00 Leo Broukhis <leob at mailcom.com>:

> Being used in maps and map legends is not a sufficient condition for
> encoding a symbol. If it were, all symbols used in physical maps would
> have been encoded, including each and every mineral and rare metal.
>
>
> Leo
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Shervin Afshar <shervinafshar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Since the double-diamond has map and map legend usage, it might be a good
> > idea to have it encoded separately. I know that I'm stating the obvious
> > here, but the important point is doing the research and showing that it
> has
> > widespread usage.
> >
> > ↪ Shervin
> >
> > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Shawn Steele <
> Shawn.Steele at microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m used to them being next to each other.  So the entire discussion
> seems
> >> to be about how to encode a concept vs how to get the shape you want
> with
> >> existing code points.   If you just want the perfect shape, then maybe
> an
> >> svg is a better choice.  If we’re talking about describing ski-run
> >> difficulty levels in plain-text, then the hodge-podge of glyphs being
> >> offered in this thread seems kinda hacky to me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Shawn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: verdyp at gmail.com [mailto:verdyp at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Philippe
> >> Verdy
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:12 PM
> >> To: Jim Melton
> >> Cc: Shawn Steele; unicode Unicode Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski
> pistes
> >> for novices
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Some documentations also suggest that the two diamonds are not stacked
> one
> >> above the other, but horizontally. It's a good point for using only one
> >> symbol, encoding it twice in plain-text if needed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2015-05-28 22:15 GMT+02:00 Jim Melton <jim.melton at oracle.com>:
> >>
> >> I no longer ski, but I did so for many years, mostly (but not
> exclusively)
> >> in the western United States.  I never encountered, at any USA ski
> >> hill/mountain/resort, a special symbol for "bunny hills", which are
> >> typically represented by the green circle meaning "beginner".  That's
> >> anecdotal evidence at best, but my observations cover numerous skiing
> sites.
> >> I have encountered such a symbol in Europe and in New Zealand, but not
> in
> >> the USA.  (I have not had the pleasure of skiing in Canada and am thus
> >> unable to speak about ski areas in that country.)
> >>
> >> The double black diamond would appear to be a unique symbol worthy of
> >> encoding, simply because the only valid typographical representation
> (in the
> >> USA) is two single black diamonds stacked one above the other and
> touching
> >> at the points.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >>    Jim
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/28/2015 2:04 PM, Shawn Steele wrote:
> >>
> >> So is double black diamond a separate symbol?  Or just two of the black
> >> diamond?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And Blue-Black?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I’m drawing a blank on a specific bunny sign, in my experience those are
> >> usually just green.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Aren’t there a lot of cartography symbols for various systems that
> aren’t
> >> present in Unicode?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-bounces at unicode.org] On Behalf Of
> Philippe
> >> Verdy
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:47 PM
> >> To: unicode Unicode Discussion
> >> Subject: "Bunny hill" symbol, used in America for signaling ski pistes
> for
> >> novices
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a symbol that can represent the "Bunny hill" symbol used in
> North
> >> America and some other American territories with mountains, to
> designate the
> >> ski pistes open to novice skiers (those pistes are signaled with green
> signs
> >> in Europe).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm looking for the symbol itself, not the color, or the form of the
> sign.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For example blue pistes in Europe are designed with a green circle in
> >> America, but we have a symbol for the circle; red pistes in Europe are
> >> signaled by a blue square in America, but we have a symbol for the
> square;
> >> black pistes in Europe are signaled by a black diamond in America, but
> we
> >> also have such "black" diamond in Unicode.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But I can't find an equivalent to the American "Bunny hill" signal,
> >> equivalent to green pistes in Europe (this is a problem for webpages
> related
> >> to skiing: do we have to embed an image ?).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
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