Unicode 7.0 Paperback Available (correction)

Philippe Verdy verdy_p at wanadoo.fr
Fri Jan 16 18:48:17 CST 2015

Note: Lulu has other sale points for other countries.

I can find volume 2 in France there


at €11.96 (but still not including 20% French VAT and still not the
shipping costs from US only)

And the 3 delivery costs options are at €9.99, €29.99, and €49.99 (same
lengthy delays after printing from US; the third option being complelety

In summary: no advantage at all for using the French Lulu sale point which
is even more expensive (given the EUR/USD conversion plus possible
additional bank fees for currency change operation, or international
transaction for some credit cards) than the US Lulu sale point.

I've not checked the other "European" Lulu sale points but they are
probably similar. Lulu is not tuned really as an international reseller. I
would suggest to the Consoritum to take some orders directly; printing in
US, and sending via UPS or similar, this would be much more efficient.

Or interested people here could take a group order in a managed paged with
help of a small team to make the delivery from US, at reasonnable costs. A
local foundation could also take a volume order in advance for some region
(EU+EFTA, Japan/Korea/Hong Kong, Russia, South Africa, India, Brasil,
Canada); and if there remains some unsold items after some time (e.g. 6
months), they would be donated to local public libraries or university

Individual sales are not the best terms. People may want to give some money
to the Unicode; however they don't want to give it only for Lulu profiting.
They prefer to give by becoming Unicode members, using the online
databases, and printing themselves what they want.

2015-01-17 1:23 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>:

> For me in France the subtotal is effectively $16.24 but shipping costs
> depend on the type of delivery; giving a total of
> * $17.66 per regular mail (7 to 17 business days, i.e. up to 3 weeks
> **after printing**) or
> * $40.05 per "expedited" mail (2 to 5 business days, i.e. up to 1
> week **after printing**) or
> * $65.95 per "express" delivery (2 to 6 business days **after printing**)
> The problem is not the price but the delivery ! I understand the term
> "after printing" (because it is printed on demand) however
> - for the mslalest price, the delivery delay is excessively long even by
> regular mail (I suppose they are waiting to get some volume before sendng;
> but 17 days is really too much).
> - the two other delivery options are largely overpriced; Lulu profits
> largely there and this is not justified by delivery costs.
> - even the most expensive "express" option is longer than the "expedited"
> option.
> REally Lulu is certainly not the best partner for the Consortium and it
> would be preferable that the Consortium prints on demand but sells that via
> a more serious worldwide partner such as Amazon (if amazon takes a few
> percents of sales, just take that into acount in the initial price).
> Shipping costs by Amazon are far better (and they can also print on demand
> with its own partner printers). And there are far better options for
> payments, more secure delivery, with more options at much smaller costs.
> Lulu seems very inefficient. I've never anywhere seen "shipping and
> delivery costs" so expensive for books (and so slow).
> Note that taxes are also not included; so expect to pay also the VAT to
> the post office or delivery service to get the product (in France this adds
> 20%, not only to the products cost for for the full service. But I don't
> think that the effective develivery costs are so expensive so you'll pay
> taxes on the books plus on a part of the "shipping costs" actually NOT
> included in the effective postal costs. That VAT amount pyed on exports is
> unpredictable from this reseller.
> So don't expect to have people buying these books from Lulu except from US.
> 2015-01-17 0:21 GMT+01:00 Pierpaolo Bernardi <olopierpa at gmail.com>:
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Pierpaolo Bernardi
>> <olopierpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Pierpaolo Bernardi
>> > <olopierpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And why Lulu says they can ship them only from North America? (so
>> >> shipping costs 33.99 EUR, making the total (64.56 EUR = 74.67 USD) not
>> >> so cheap anymore)
>> >
>> > As a point of comparison, the Addison-Wesley edition of the 5.0
>> > version, bought from Amazon, cost me 55.69 EUR in 2006, included taxes
>> > and shipping.
>> As another point of comparison, the Lulu edition of 6.1, bought from
>> Lulu cost me 33.24 USD (including taxes & shipping).
>> P.
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