proposal for new character 'soft/preferred line break'

[Asmus Freytag]

I agree, the use of <nobreak> markup is more appropriate to the problem. 
This is not a plain text issue and it even fails the "smell test" for 
"issue that is more elegantly solved by format characters than markup".

A./

On 2/5/2014 2:27 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> 2014-02-05 23:44, Rhavin Grobert wrote:
>
>> Wbr gives the opportunity to break at long|awesome. But what i mean is:
>> - non existing "sbr" in parralell to shy assumed -
>
> Just giving a hypothetical character or tag an identifier does not 
> specify its intended meaning.
>
>> "Do you think me gentle,<sbr/>do you think me cold?
>> do you wanna risk a<sbr/>look into my thoughts?"
>>
>> if line is long enough:
>>
>> "Do you think me gentle, do you think me cold?
>> do you wanna risk a look into my thoughts?"
>>
>> if line is not long enough:
>>
>> "Do you think me gentle,
>> do you think me cold?
>> do you wanna risk a
>> look into my thoughts?"
>
> This seems to be what Richard Wordingham guessed what you mean, more 
> or less.
>
>> Poems need some whitespace-element that is *above* usual whaitespaces
>> when it comes to linebreaks, <wbr/> and &shy are *below* all 
>> whitespaces.
>
> Anything “above” the character level is generally up to higher-level 
> protocols rather than what the Unicode Standard deals with.
>
> It seems to me that you actually want is to make some line break 
> points the only allowed break points. So you would rather want to 
> prohibit breaks elsewhere than introduce a “soft/preferred line break”.
>
> At the character level, you could use no-break spaces for the purpose. 
> Using the entity reference   (for U+00A9) for clarity here, you 
> could write
>
> Do you think me gentle, 
> do you think me cold?
> do you wanna risk a 
> look into my thoughts?
>
> If the text contains hyphens or other characters that might allow a 
> line break by default, you made need something extra.
>
> If this is actually about HTML authoring, you can successfully use
>
> <nobr>Do you think me gentle,</nobr>
> <nobr>do you think me cold?</nobr>
> <nobr>do you wanna risk a</nobr>
> <nobr>look into my thoughts?</nobr>
>
> If you need/want to “conform to HTML standards”, you can, with some 
> marginal loss in functionality, use <span style="white-space: 
> nowrap">...</span> instead of nobr elements.
>
> Anyway, there appears to be existing solutions to the problem. They 
> might be a bit clumsy, but adding an “exclusive line break 
> opportunity” into Unicode would introduce quite some complexity and 
> burden on implementations.
>
> Yucca
>
>
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