What is the codepoint / sequence of codepoints to generate this symbol?

Mon Jan 13 06:01:54 CST 2020

> Does the 2008-08-21 document supersede the 2007-10-18, or are they
independent of each other? I understand that both of them are still
proposals, and that means the codepoint can in theory change by the time it
hits the standard. What's a recommended best practice for users until then?

They *were* proposals, they were accepted. I believe the 2008 one builds on
the 2007 one and refers to it. The code points are in unicode now.
-Manish

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 4:59 PM आलोक कुमार (नौ दो ग्यारह) <
alok at devanaagarii.net> wrote:

>
>
> सोम, 13 जन॰ 2020 को 3:52 pm बजे को Manish Goregaokar via Indic <
> indic at unicode.org> ने लिखा:
>
>> The relevant Unicode proposals for these seem to be L2/07-343
>> <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07343-n3366-vedic.pdf> and L2/08-273R3
>> <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08273r3-n3488r3-vedic.pdf> . They seem
>> to indicate that these are all equivalent to the anusvara, though they may
>> have restrictions on when they can be used.
>>
>>
> Thank you, Vinodh, Manish.
>
> It is indeed U+1CE7 followed by ं figure 8JB as defined in L2/07-343
> <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07343-n3366-vedic.pdf>
> Which is the same as U+1CEC followed by ं as defined in L2/08-273R3
> <https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08273r3-n3488r3-vedic.pdf>
>
> Does the 2008-08-21 document supersede the 2007-10-18, or are they
> independent of each other? I understand that both of them are still
> proposals, and that means the codepoint can in theory change by the time it
> hits the standard. What's a recommended best practice for users until then?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> आलोक
>
> Thanks,
>> -Manish
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:43 PM Vinodh Rajan via Indic <indic at unicode.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's this character:
>>>
>>> ᳬं 1CEC VEDIC SIGN ANUSVARA VAMAGOMUKHA WITH TAIL with Anusvara
>>>
>>> The word ought to be spelled: तपाᳬंसि
>>>
>>> I have shown the image below, in case your OS/font doesn't render it
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> [image: text - 2020-01-13T110937.823.png]
>>>
>>> V
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:58 AM आलोक कुमार (नौ दो ग्यारह) via Indic <
>>> indic at unicode.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for writing back.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) completely missing/omitting the complex glyph and replacing with a
>>>>> simpler anusvara:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://upanishads.org.in/upanishads/3/1/2/15
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> सर्वे वेदा यत्पदमामनन्ति तपांसि
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is the version I would use as a compulsion, for lack of an option
>>>> to type the symbol on say my mobile keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) rendering as -rtha- :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A5_%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B6.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> सर्वे वेदा यत्पदमामनन्ति तपार्थसि
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This is the pdf whose OCR output I am currently verifying on wikisource
>>>> :) Please see Page 16 of the PDF. Line 13 uses U+A8F3, and Line 15 uses the
>>>> symbol I asked about.
>>>> Where did you find the encoding as तपार्थसि in the document? I believe
>>>> that would be incorrect, whereas (1) and (3) are still closer
>>>> approximations to the pronunciation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> (3) as the candrabindu-virama codepoint (U+A8F3), despite visual
>>>>>  variance with the scanned image provided:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/katha.html?lang=sa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> सर्वे वेदा यत्पदमामनन्ति तपाꣳसि (ँ् > ꣳ)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it has been used, but if you see the example of (2), both the
>>>> symbols have been used in the same page, it's quite likely they are
>>>> different from each other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is “correct”?
>>>>> I don’t know, but... I’d likely try and look at other handwritten
>>>>> manuscripts that wouldn’t be digitally constrained...
>>>>> A question for you might be, “what makes the provided image’s
>>>>> typesetting more “valid” than the others?”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I've tried to look for a manuscript, but wasn't able to.
>>>> However in response to the question, I have been seeing this text in
>>>> hymns since the past 30 years (not a long time I agree considering the age
>>>> of the text :) ) and have been asked to pronounce them differently by my
>>>> elders.
>>>>
>>>> Will look for a manuscript again.
>>>> However I did find an explanation of vedic Pronunciation at
>>>> http://www.aryagan.org/pdf/literature/ved/Ved-Path-Niyam.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Please see item 3 and 4
>>>>
>>>> Item 3 is the symbol in question, called, in that document, अयोगवाह
>>>> ह्रस्व (ह्रस्व = short)
>>>> Item 4 is the ꣳ (U+A8F3), called, in that document, अयोगवाह दीर्घ
>>>> (दीर्घ = long)
>>>>
>>>> I could translate the Ved-Path-Niyam document to English if it helps,
>>>> also attaching it.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this bring me closer to an answer to the original query
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for your response,
>>>> आलोक
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> [Apologies for any typos – typed with my thumbs and subject to the
>>>>> most amusing auto-correct (or not), i.e. typed on my iPhone]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 21:10, आलोक कुमार (नौ दो ग्यारह) via Indic <
>>>>> indic at unicode.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can anyone help me with the unicode representation of the symbol after
>>>>> the पा in the fourth word in the attached file?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have trouble viewing it, I posted it online at
>>>>> https://twitter.com/alok/status/1216563416501903360/photo/1 as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/katha.html?lang=sa encodes
>>>>> the fourth word as तपाꣳसि
>>>>>
>>>>> Which means that the symbol is equated to U+A8F3. That may well be
>>>>> correct, or it may not be, as the visual representation is different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Much appreciated, thanks.
>>>>>
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>>>>> <स्क्रीन शॉट, २०२०-०१-१३ ०८.५७.४५ पर.png>
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