Grammatical features / gender power & prefix derivation

[Mark Davis ☕️]

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Mark


On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 5:23 PM Richard Wordingham via CLDR-Users <
cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 06:50:35 +0800
> Kip Cole via CLDR-Users <cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote:
>
> > My understanding of TR35 section 16.1 is that when deriving the
> > grammatical gender of a “power” (like “square meter”) or
> > “prefix” (like “milligram”) the basic operation is to strip the power
> > and/or prefix and derive the gender of the base unit (“meter” in this
> > case).
> >
> > If my understanding is correct, then looking at the Section 16.1:
> > <deriveCompound feature="gender" structure="power" value="0"/> <!--
> > gender(square-meter) ←  gender(meter) --> <deriveCompound
> > feature="gender" structure="prefix" value="0"/> <!--
> > gender(kilometer) ←  gender(meter)--> Is there any circumstance
> > whereby “value” could be anything other than “0” ? Is there any
> > circumstance where the power or prefix themselves would form part of
> > the gender determination? (Based on the above I assume not, but
> > confirmation would be helpful).  Looking at the locales for “root”,
> > “de” and “fr”, all of them have “value=0” for “power” and “prefix”.
>
> I think you need something like a Tigrinya or Sanskrit locale to give
> you any confidence.


Our strategy is to work incrementally towards fleshing out the grammar
support, planning to add features when we start supporting languages that
need them (instead of trying to tackle the grammar of all 7K+ languages in
one gulp!).


> In Latin, the plural thousands are neuter nouns
> (with the counted object in the genitive plural) and Pali can form
> compounds with 'thousand' as a neuter head noun in a fuctionally similar
> construction.


For compound units, the only prefixes we are considering are the ones
corresponding to the SI prefixes kilo-, mega-, milli-, etc., and only in
combination with certain base forms (meter, second, ...). So the scope is
limited to those.


> In Pali the higher numerals are feminine, so there's
> certainly scope for the prefixes to take genders.
>

We are not talking a prefix "taking" gender, but rather contributing to the
gender of the result. For example, given the gender of the unit "meter",
and the prefix "kilo-", what is the gender of the unit "kilometer"? (In the
target language, of course!)

>
> Richard.
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