From cldr-users at unicode.org  Thu Jan 16 13:37:10 2020
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Daniel Yacob via CLDR-Users)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:37:10 -0500
Subject: Transliteration Issue Reporting / Contributor Tracking
Message-ID: <CACvO6KDHvDGweEDv6OtQ04kwwfA6qc1LUJO1s_ohVKfGmjg2XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

I've been working on transliteration UI tool that utilizes the CLDR
transforms repository (contents under common/transforms).  The tool is
targeted primarily for the semi- or non-technical humanities community in
academia. It also provides an editor and should be useful for people
comfortable with composing new transforms (link below).

The bulk of the feedback that I've had from early testers has been about
particular transliteration mapping choices.  Remarks in the form of "X
converts to Y, when I think it should be Z".  Which may be an actual defect
in the resource file or simply a preference difference.  Either way -not my
department.  So I direct  people back to CLDR.  I'm anticipating much more
of this when the tool is out of beta and have added a "Report an Issue"
option with a link to the issues  page:

  https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/projects/CLDR/issues/

Questions/Notes/Thoughts:

1) Is the above link the best starting point for someone wishing to report
an issue with a transliteration file?

2) Jira might be off-putting for people not already familiar with it.   LMK
if there is any other option for reporting an issue.

3) How is a transliteration file traced back to the contributor?  Is there
an online resource that identifies contributors?

Some of the files have a contributor name and email embedded in a comment.
I would suggest adding an LDML tag or attribute to the files to provide
contact information for the contributor.  Tools could then programmatically
make contacting the author about an issue easier.

4) Longer-term, a wiki page for each transliteration file would be great.
A page could document the goals, scope and any references of a
transliteration as well as provide contact info for a maintainer. Github
provides a basic wiki service that would be suitable.

thanks,

-Daniel


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From cldr-users at unicode.org  Thu Jan 30 12:17:53 2020
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Kip Cole via CLDR-Users)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 02:17:53 +0800
Subject: Unit Preferences named year-person and month-person
Message-ID: <30BAC0A9-AD61-4BB7-8D81-FCE806CAA2B1@gmail.com>

In the supplemental data for unit preferences there is a reference to the unit names `year-person` and `month-person`:

  <unitPreferences category="duration" usage="person-age?>
    <unitPreference regions="001">year-person month-person</unitPreference>
  </unitPreferences>

But I cannot find a reference in the locale files of such a unit. Only `year` and `month`. These names don?t appear in
`validity/unit.xml` either.  

A scan of TR35 doesn?t turn up an additional references (beyond unit preferences) although the pending PR for 
unit conversions does contain `year-person` and `year-month`.

Am I missing a subtle interpretation of these two unit names?  All others I can find in `unitPreferences.xml`
match the unit names in the locale files.

Thanks, ?Kip








From cldr-users at unicode.org  Thu Jan 30 12:42:52 2020
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJXvuI8=?= via CLDR-Users)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:42:52 -0800
Subject: Unit Preferences named year-person and month-person
In-Reply-To: <30BAC0A9-AD61-4BB7-8D81-FCE806CAA2B1@gmail.com>
References: <30BAC0A9-AD61-4BB7-8D81-FCE806CAA2B1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2xs_EDfwUkgffHzbMetQzP7D6cArdquvrD5VL16wsK0EOnBw@mail.gmail.com>

That is for some languages that have different names for years/months when
applied to people's age, and this provides for that. We might not have
collected the data yet.

Mark


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:31 AM Kip Cole via CLDR-Users <
cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote:

> In the supplemental data for unit preferences there is a reference to the
> unit names `year-person` and `month-person`:
>
>   <unitPreferences category="duration" usage="person-age?>
>     <unitPreference regions="001">year-person month-person</unitPreference>
>   </unitPreferences>
>
> But I cannot find a reference in the locale files of such a unit. Only
> `year` and `month`. These names don?t appear in
> `validity/unit.xml` either.
>
> A scan of TR35 doesn?t turn up an additional references (beyond unit
> preferences) although the pending PR for
> unit conversions does contain `year-person` and `year-month`.
>
> Am I missing a subtle interpretation of these two unit names?  All others
> I can find in `unitPreferences.xml`
> match the unit names in the locale files.
>
> Thanks, ?Kip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cldr-users at unicode.org  Thu Jan 30 15:54:24 2020
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Patrick CHEW via CLDR-Users)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:54:24 -0800
Subject: Unit Preferences named year-person and month-person
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2xs_EDfwUkgffHzbMetQzP7D6cArdquvrD5VL16wsK0EOnBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2xs_EDfwUkgffHzbMetQzP7D6cArdquvrD5VL16wsK0EOnBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E3E64D0-9E8A-4790-B0D2-1412754F9830@gmail.com>

Easy example is Chinese:
? ?year? (calendrical, etc)
?/? ?year (of age)?

?? ?two years? (duration)
??/? ?two years (old)?

cheers,
- Patrick

[Apologies for any typos ? typed with my thumbs and subject to the most amusing auto-correct (or not), i.e. typed on my iPhone]

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:44, Mark Davis ?? via CLDR-Users <cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That is for some languages that have different names for years/months when applied to people's age, and this provides for that. We might not have collected the data yet.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:31 AM Kip Cole via CLDR-Users <cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote:
>> In the supplemental data for unit preferences there is a reference to the unit names `year-person` and `month-person`:
>> 
>>   <unitPreferences category="duration" usage="person-age?>
>>     <unitPreference regions="001">year-person month-person</unitPreference>
>>   </unitPreferences>
>> 
>> But I cannot find a reference in the locale files of such a unit. Only `year` and `month`. These names don?t appear in
>> `validity/unit.xml` either.  
>> 
>> A scan of TR35 doesn?t turn up an additional references (beyond unit preferences) although the pending PR for 
>> unit conversions does contain `year-person` and `year-month`.
>> 
>> Am I missing a subtle interpretation of these two unit names?  All others I can find in `unitPreferences.xml`
>> match the unit names in the locale files.
>> 
>> Thanks, ?Kip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> CLDR-Users at unicode.org
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From cldr-users at unicode.org  Thu Jan 30 17:30:30 2020
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Kip Cole via CLDR-Users)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 07:30:30 +0800
Subject: Unit Preferences named year-person and month-person
In-Reply-To: <8E3E64D0-9E8A-4790-B0D2-1412754F9830@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ2xs_EDfwUkgffHzbMetQzP7D6cArdquvrD5VL16wsK0EOnBw@mail.gmail.com>
 <8E3E64D0-9E8A-4790-B0D2-1412754F9830@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B01DB991-AFE7-4720-B2A9-7A874F03B2F1@gmail.com>

Thanks Mark and Patrick. I have been treating the units names in the locale files as the canonical list of units (that was how I interpreted TR35) but I see thats not a valid assumption.

The use case is familiar and make sense. I feel as if it would be better encoded as a ?scope? or ?use? of the unit but I assume  that would require changing the LDML etc etc ?..

?Kip


> On 31 Jan 2020, at 5:54 am, Patrick CHEW <patrick.chew at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Easy example is Chinese:
> ? ?year? (calendrical, etc)
> ?/? ?year (of age)?
> 
> ?? ?two years? (duration)
> ??/? ?two years (old)?
> 
> cheers,
> - Patrick