From cldr-users at unicode.org Thu Jan 10 20:52:53 2019 From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Richard Wordingham via CLDR-Users) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 02:52:53 +0000 Subject: Interpretation of pi-LA (Pali as in Laos) In-Reply-To: <20150609181322.0b922ced@JRWUBU2> References: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2> <20150609181322.0b922ced@JRWUBU2> Message-ID: <20190111025253.5ed9583c@JRWUBU2> As I appear to be a robot*, I request that the CLDR developers please address the issues below: On Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:13:22 +0100 Richard Wordingham wrote: > There were a couple of entries in there that surprised me and I > still think the scripts are wrong in a few of these cases. Is there > any straightforward way of checking how they were derived? They are: > > sga => sga_Ogam_IE ! Surely Latn is the main script for Old Irish > ! (unless you want to count Latg) > non => non_Runr_SE ! I think Latn, but perhaps it depends on how you > ! measure usage. I understood that most of the Old > ! Norse material came from Iceland. > nod => nod_Lana_TH ! I think Thai - unless there has been a major > shift ! recently. The case of Northern Thai appears likely be addressed by ticket #11603. Richard. *Robots are still not allowed to submit tickets, so don't ask. P.S. I can't find my serial number or product number, so not quoted. From cldr-users at unicode.org Thu Jan 10 23:55:04 2019 From: cldr-users at unicode.org (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJXvuI8=?= via CLDR-Users) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 06:55:04 +0100 Subject: Interpretation of pi-LA (Pali as in Laos) In-Reply-To: <20190111025253.5ed9583c@JRWUBU2> References: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2> <20150609181322.0b922ced@JRWUBU2> <20190111025253.5ed9583c@JRWUBU2> Message-ID: I added the other two as comments to https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/11603, since they are all related (and you can't post for some reason). Mark On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:53 AM Richard Wordingham via CLDR-Users < cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote: > As I appear to be a robot*, I request that the CLDR developers please > address the issues below: > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:13:22 +0100 > Richard Wordingham wrote: > > > There were a couple of entries in there that surprised me and I > > still think the scripts are wrong in a few of these cases. Is there > > any straightforward way of checking how they were derived? They are: > > > > sga => sga_Ogam_IE ! Surely Latn is the main script for Old Irish > > ! (unless you want to count Latg) > > non => non_Runr_SE ! I think Latn, but perhaps it depends on how you > > ! measure usage. I understood that most of the Old > > ! Norse material came from Iceland. > > nod => nod_Lana_TH ! I think Thai - unless there has been a major > > shift ! recently. > > The case of Northern Thai appears likely be addressed by ticket #11603. > > Richard. > > *Robots are still not allowed to submit tickets, so don't ask. > > P.S. I can't find my serial number or product number, so not quoted. > _______________________________________________ > CLDR-Users mailing list > CLDR-Users at unicode.org > http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/cldr-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cldr-users at unicode.org Fri Jan 11 10:19:21 2019 From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Richard Wordingham via CLDR-Users) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:19:21 +0000 Subject: Interpretation of pi-LA (Pali as in Laos) In-Reply-To: References: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2> <20150609181322.0b922ced@JRWUBU2> <20190111025253.5ed9583c@JRWUBU2> Message-ID: <20190111161921.2ffb8f84@JRWUBU2> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 06:55:04 +0100 Mark Davis ?? wrote: > I added the other two as comments to > https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/11603, since they are all > related (and you can't post for some reason). Thank you. I think you meant to write, for these cases deduce script from language, "For historic *languages*, the key is what *script* is most used in modern times." Richard. From cldr-users at unicode.org Fri Jan 11 11:09:22 2019 From: cldr-users at unicode.org (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJXvuI8=?= via CLDR-Users) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:09:22 +0100 Subject: Interpretation of pi-LA (Pali as in Laos) In-Reply-To: <20190111161921.2ffb8f84@JRWUBU2> References: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2> <20150609181322.0b922ced@JRWUBU2> <20190111025253.5ed9583c@JRWUBU2> <20190111161921.2ffb8f84@JRWUBU2> Message-ID: Yes, thanks for catching that. Mark On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:20 PM Richard Wordingham via CLDR-Users < cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 06:55:04 +0100 > Mark Davis ?? wrote: > > > I added the other two as comments to > > https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/11603, since they are all > > related (and you can't post for some reason). > > Thank you. > > I think you meant to write, for these cases deduce script > from language, "For historic *languages*, the key is what *script* is > most used in modern times." > > Richard. > > _______________________________________________ > CLDR-Users mailing list > CLDR-Users at unicode.org > http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/cldr-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cldr-users at unicode.org Fri Jan 11 17:37:30 2019 From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Richard Wordingham via CLDR-Users) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:37:30 +0000 Subject: Likely language for Ogham Message-ID: <20190111233730.3d3a04ee@JRWUBU2> Having had my doubts about the likely language for Ogham added to Ticket ####, I now see that there is a ticket for Ogham, Ticket #11021, (http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/11021), which addresses the issues. (It may actually be consciously endorsing some of my public remarks on the matter.) I don't understand the subsequent comment in that ticket, "Ogham shouldn't be the primary script for any language." Why not? It appears to be the only script for Primitive Irish (pgl) while the language was the primary means of communication. Is the argument that pgl_Ogam is dominated by pgl_Latn-t-pgl-Ogam? The position of Pictish (xpi) is similar, but transliteration is more tentative. However, should we pay any heed to Michael Everson's comment that Ogham's chief usage is for messages in modern English exchanged behind teachers' backs in Ireland? Would it make sense for me to acquire a CLDR user name so that my attempts to add comments to tickets are not dismissed as spam? Rchard.