From cldr-users at unicode.org  Wed Apr  4 01:33:55 2018
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Christian Schmidt via CLDR-Users)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 08:33:55 +0200
Subject: Timezone areas - mapping and localizing
Message-ID: <7E0FCF3A-A6DF-4866-8ADD-E256E8B9E0E9@chsc.dk>

I would like to show a list of timezones grouped by the area part of timezone identifier, e.g. Europe in Europe/Copenhagen. I want to show the localised area name.

I have two questions:

1. The territory code for Europe is 150. Is there an official mapping from area names (e.g. Europe) to territory codes (e.g. 150), I can use?
2. I cannot find territories in CLDR matching all regions, e.g. Pacific or Atlantic. Did I miss something?


Thanks,


Christian



From cldr-users at unicode.org  Wed Apr  4 02:09:50 2018
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJXvuI8=?= via CLDR-Users)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 09:09:50 +0200
Subject: Timezone areas - mapping and localizing
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CLDR supplies names for the UN M.49, and the mapping from country/region
code to those.

There is a chart on
https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/supplemental/territory_containment_un_m_49.html
(using data from the source XML).

Note that the UN M.49 generally matches the 'area' part:  Africa [002]
contains Burundi [BI] and hence Africa/Bujumbura

But it doesn't for the areas named after oceans (Indian, Pacific,
Atlantic), except that Oceania [009] is close to Pacific. There are also a
few other differences: eg, the UN puts the nation of Turkey (TR) into
Asia [142] (makes sense, given that the vast majority is in Asia), but
because Istanbul is in Europe, the TZDB has the Europe area.

Here are charts of the UN regions:
https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/by_type/locale_display_names.geographic_regions.html

For example, Europe:
https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/by_type/locale_display_names.geographic_regions.html#5cfb1873d2bc4b69

Again, you don't want to scrape the charts, but instead get the data from
the XML files.


Mark

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Christian Schmidt via CLDR-Users <
cldr-users at unicode.org> wrote:

> I would like to show a list of timezones grouped by the area part of
> timezone identifier, e.g. Europe in Europe/Copenhagen. I want to show the
> localised area name.
>
> I have two questions:
>
> 1. The territory code for Europe is 150. Is there an official mapping from
> area names (e.g. Europe) to territory codes (e.g. 150), I can use?
> 2. I cannot find territories in CLDR matching all regions, e.g. Pacific or
> Atlantic. Did I miss something?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Christian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CLDR-Users mailing list
> CLDR-Users at unicode.org
> http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/cldr-users
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From cldr-users at unicode.org  Fri Apr  6 15:18:07 2018
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (Christian Schmidt via CLDR-Users)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 22:18:07 +0200
Subject: Timezone areas - mapping and localizing
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Message-ID: <BBAA31B9-A4B5-4D9C-A026-797112EC4C40@chsc.dk>

Thanks :-)

Do you think it would make sense to file feature requests for
1) the mapping from tzdata areas to CLDR territory codes, and
2) creating new CLDR territories (with localised names) corresponding to the oceans?

Or is this outside the scope of CLDR?


Christian


> On 4 Apr 2018, at 09.09, Mark Davis ?? <mark at macchiato.com> wrote:
> 
> CLDR supplies names for the UN M.49, and the mapping from country/region code to those. 
> 
> There is a chart on https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/supplemental/territory_containment_un_m_49.html <https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/supplemental/territory_containment_un_m_49.html> (using data from the source XML).
> 
> Note that the UN M.49 generally matches the 'area' part:  Africa	[002] contains Burundi [BI] and hence Africa/Bujumbura
> 
> But it doesn't for the areas named after oceans (Indian, Pacific, Atlantic), except that Oceania [009] is close to Pacific. There are also a few other differences: eg, the UN puts the nation of Turkey (TR) into Asia [142] (makes sense, given that the vast majority is in Asia), but because Istanbul is in Europe, the TZDB has the Europe area.
> 
> Here are charts of the UN regions: https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/by_type/locale_display_names.geographic_regions.html <https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/by_type/locale_display_names.geographic_regions.html>
> 
> For example, Europe:
> https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/by_type/locale_display_names.geographic_regions.html#5cfb1873d2bc4b69 <https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/33/by_type/locale_display_names.geographic_regions.html#5cfb1873d2bc4b69>
> 
> Again, you don't want to scrape the charts, but instead get the data from the XML files.
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Christian Schmidt via CLDR-Users <cldr-users at unicode.org <mailto:cldr-users at unicode.org>> wrote:
> I would like to show a list of timezones grouped by the area part of timezone identifier, e.g. Europe in Europe/Copenhagen. I want to show the localised area name.
> 
> I have two questions:
> 
> 1. The territory code for Europe is 150. Is there an official mapping from area names (e.g. Europe) to territory codes (e.g. 150), I can use?
> 2. I cannot find territories in CLDR matching all regions, e.g. Pacific or Atlantic. Did I miss something?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> CLDR-Users mailing list
> CLDR-Users at unicode.org <mailto:CLDR-Users at unicode.org>
> http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/cldr-users <http://unicode.org/mailman/listinfo/cldr-users>
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From cldr-users at unicode.org  Sun Apr  8 11:12:55 2018
From: cldr-users at unicode.org (strysg via CLDR-Users)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:12:55 -0400
Subject: es-BO change default paper size from A4 to US-Letter
Message-ID: <3b4f894e-17c3-b7bc-bd56-f2fb0204b8d6@riseup.net>

Hello,
default paper size in Bolivia is set to A4 but it is very difficult to
buy and almost nobody uses it. It is necesary to change default paper
size from A4 to US-Letter which is the de-facto standard.

We have oppened the ticket #11030
(https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/11030) which explains it better.
Plus there is https://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8310, and shows that
many countries in the region have US-Letter as default.

Can you help us?, Are there more references needed to accept the change?

This change will be very useful for our country, thanks in advance.