Inconsistent RBNF Data?

Fri Nov 11 03:59:11 CST 2016

I forgot this additional subrule to replace spaces by hyphens in ordinals:

[...]
  %%cents-o
  0: ième;
  1: -=%%et-unieme=;
- 2: ' =%%spellout-ordinal=;
+ 2: -=%%spellout-ordinal=;
  11: -et-onzième;
- 12: ' =%%spellout-ordinal=;
- 12: -=%%spellout-ordinal=;
[...]

2016-11-11 10:53 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>:

> Basically the needed changes are there for French ordinals:
>
> [...]
>   %%spellout-ordinal:
> [...]
> - 200: <%spellout-cardinal-masculine< cent>%%cents-o>;
> + 200: <%spellout-cardinal-masculine<-cent>%%cents-o>;
>   1000: mill>%%mille-o>;
> - 2000: <%%spellout-leading< mill>%%mille-o>;
> + 2000: <%%spellout-leading<-mill>%%mille-o>;
> - 1000000: <%%spellout-leading< million>%%cents-o>;
> + 1000000: <%%spellout-leading<-million>%%cents-o>;
> - 1000000000: <%%spellout-leading< milliard>%%cents-o>;
> + 1000000000: <%%spellout-leading<-milliard>%%cents-o>;
> - 1000000000000: <%%spellout-leading< billion>%%cents-o>;
> + 1000000000000: <%%spellout-leading<-billion>%%cents-o>;
> - 1000000000000000: <%%spellout-leading< billiard>%%cents-o>;
> - 1000000000000000: <%%spellout-leading<-billiard>%%cents-o>;
>   1000000000000000000: =#,##0=;
> [...]
>
> 2016-11-11 8:44 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>:
>
>> Well for French ordinals, this still uses old rules using spaces instead
>> of hyphens.
>>
>> Fractions in French are spelled (like in English) as : cardinal
>> (numerator) + space + ordinal (denominator)
>> where the ordinal (denominator) here is taking the singular or plural
>> form, according to the value of the leading cardinal (numerator) and French
>> plural rules.
>>
>> With the old spelling rules of ordinals still using spaces (like in
>> cardinals), it is difficult to guess the values being meant in
>> - "(les) deux cent sept millièmes"
>>
>> But this ambiguity is solved cleanly in all cases by always using hyphens
>> instead of spaces within ordinals.
>>
>> So a fraction will contain its last space just before the full ordinal
>> for the denominator :
>>
>> - "(le) deux-cent-sept-millième" = (the) 1 / 207,000 = the 207,000th
>> (singular)
>> - "(les) deux-cent-sept-millièmes" = (the) 1 / 207,000 = the 207,000th
>> (plural)
>> - "(les) deux cent-sept-millièmes" = (the) 2 / 107,000 (plural only)
>> - "(les) deux cent sept-millièmes" = (the) 200 / 7,000 (plural only)
>> - "(les) deux-cent-sept millièmes" = (the) 207 / 1,000 (plural only)
>>
>> ----
>> Note:  The ordinal (for the numerator) traditionally keeps using spaces
>> instead of hyphens, except between tens and units, as in:
>>
>> - "(tens)-et-un" (10n+1), "(tens)-deux" (10n+2), ... "(tens)-neuf"
>> (10n+9),
>> - "soixante-dix" (70) = "septante" (in Belgian French and Swiss French),
>> - "soixante-et-onze" (71) = "septante-et-un" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "soixante-douze" (72) = "septante-deux" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "soixante-treize" (73) = "septante-trois" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "soixante-quatorze" (74) = "septante-quatre" (in Belgian French and
>> Swiss French),
>> - "soixante-quinze" (75) = "septante-cinq" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "soixante-seize" (76) = "septante-six" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "soixante dix-sept" (77) = "septante-sept" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "soixante dix-huit" (78) = "septante-huit" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "soixante dix-neuf" (79) = "septante-neuf" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "quatre-vingt" (80) = "octante" (in Belgian French and Swiss French),
>> - "quatre-vingt onze" (81) = "octante-et-un" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "quatre-vingt douze" (82) = "octante-deux" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "quatre-vingt treize" (83) = "octante-trois" (in Belgian French and
>> Swiss French),
>> - "quatre-vingt quatorze" (84) = "octante-quatre" (in Belgian French and
>> Swiss French),
>> - "quatre-vingt quinze" (85) = "octante-cinq" (in Belgian French and
>> Swiss French),
>> - "quatre-vingt seize" (86) = "octante-six" (in Belgian French and Swiss
>> French),
>> - "quatre-vingt dix-sept" (87) = "octante-sept" (in Belgian French and
>> Swiss French),
>> - "quatre-vingt dix-huit" (88) = "octante-huit" (in Belgian French and
>> Swiss French),
>> - "quatre-vingt dix-neuf" (89) = "octante-neuf" (in Belgian French and
>> Swiss French),
>>
>> But even in this list of cardinals spaces are also possible everywhere
>> instead of hyphens between tens and units, the hyphen is strongly
>> recommended only in "quatre-vingt". It is only the most common usage to use
>> hyphens between tens an unit in cardinals.
>>
>> In legal documents, cardinals are written using hyphens everywhere
>> instead of spaces.
>>
>> In all cases (traditional, most common, or legal), the space remains
>> mandatory (an hyphen is strictly forbidden there) only between the
>> numerator cardinal and the denominator ordinal of a fraction.
>>
>>
>> 2016-11-11 2:10 GMT+01:00 Kent Karlsson <kent.karlsson14 at telia.com>:
>>
>>> Looking at the RBNF source can be hard to follow (especially for the
>>> more complicated cases, even Italian is
>>> quite complex).
>>>
>>> Though I used my own program for testing nearly a decade ago when I
>>> worked on this, there is now a public
>>> web page (not made by me, but by the person that took over maintaining
>>> the RBNF rules) for testing RBNFs:
>>>
>>> http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/numbers.jsp
>>>
>>> This is easier to follow than the rules themselves and can be used to
>>> find errors and test fixes to the RBNF rules.
>>> Note that the rules are in ICU format, not in the XML format found in
>>> CLDR. You can edit the rules, and the
>>> numbers to be used for testing.
>>>
>>> /Kent K
>>>
>>> Den 2016-11-10 11:30, skrev "Rafael Xavier" <rxaviers at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> That's not quite true for Portuguese - the forms are a bit different. I
>>> had a quick look at the RBNF though and it looks correct there.
>>>
>>> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/tags/release-30-d05/com
>>> mon/rbnf/pt.xml#L78
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 confirming existing RBNF for pt is correct (as a native Portuguese
>>> speaker and [1]).
>>>
>>> 1: http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/sobre-palavras/consultorio/duz
>>> entas-mil-pessoas-ou-duzentos-mil-pessoas/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Fòram na Gàidhlig <
>>> fios at foramnagaidhlig.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sgrìobh Kent Karlsson na leanas 09/11/2016 aig 21:23:
>>> > Right, I misread.
>>> >
>>> > I note that both Spanish and Portuguese has "ciento" as corrections to
>>> > the "-feminine" cases.
>>>
>>> That's not quite true for Portuguese - the forms are a bit different. I
>>> had a quick look at the RBNF though and it looks correct there.
>>>
>>> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/browser/tags/release-30-d05/com
>>> mon/rbnf/pt.xml#L78
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