From duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp  Fri Jun  5 04:52:15 2015
From: duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 18:52:15 +0900
Subject: Fwd: Last Call: <draft-ietf-tzdist-service-08.txt> (Time Zone Data
 Distribution Service) to Proposed Standard
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Regards,    Martin.


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Subject: Last Call: <draft-ietf-tzdist-service-08.txt> (Time Zone Data 
Distribution Service) to Proposed Standard
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 11:21:16 -0700
From: The IESG <iesg-secretary at ietf.org>
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CC: tzdist at ietf.org


The IESG has received a request from the Time Zone Data Distribution
Service WG (tzdist) to consider the following document:
- 'Time Zone Data Distribution Service'
   <draft-ietf-tzdist-service-08.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf at ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-06-17. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg at ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


    This document defines a time zone data distribution service that
    allows reliable, secure and fast delivery of time zone data and leap
    second rules to client systems such as calendaring and scheduling
    applications or operating systems.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tzdist-service/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tzdist-service/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.


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From richard.wordingham at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun  8 21:16:56 2015
From: richard.wordingham at ntlworld.com (Richard Wordingham)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 03:16:56 +0100
Subject: Interpretation of pi-LA (Pali as in Laos)
Message-ID: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2>

Am I right in thinking that a locale identifier such as pi-LA would be
highly unlikely to ever produce the correct script?

My understanding, which may very well be wrong, is that script
defaults just from language.  It seems highly unlikely that the default
script for Pali worldwide would be either Laoo (Lao script) or Lana
(Tai Tham script).

Richard.

From mark at macchiato.com  Tue Jun  9 08:32:18 2015
From: mark at macchiato.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJXvuI8=?=)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:32:18 +0200
Subject: Interpretation of pi-LA (Pali as in Laos)
In-Reply-To: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2>
References: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2>
Message-ID: <CAJ2xs_G9LedniHUyMrena3znzyuQxVzvfkY1jUt99boAQEeZQg@mail.gmail.com>

The script may result from the combination.

In
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/likely_subtags.html
look for rows that have both a language and region (but no script), such
as Azerbaijani.


Mark <https://google.com/+MarkDavis>

*? Il meglio ? l?inimico del bene ?*

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Richard Wordingham <
richard.wordingham at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Am I right in thinking that a locale identifier such as pi-LA would be
> highly unlikely to ever produce the correct script?
>
> My understanding, which may very well be wrong, is that script
> defaults just from language.  It seems highly unlikely that the default
> script for Pali worldwide would be either Laoo (Lao script) or Lana
> (Tai Tham script).
>
> Richard.
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From richard.wordingham at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun  9 12:13:22 2015
From: richard.wordingham at ntlworld.com (Richard Wordingham)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 18:13:22 +0100
Subject: Interpretation of pi-LA (Pali as in Laos)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2xs_G9LedniHUyMrena3znzyuQxVzvfkY1jUt99boAQEeZQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20150609031656.4a2e1c43@JRWUBU2>
 <CAJ2xs_G9LedniHUyMrena3znzyuQxVzvfkY1jUt99boAQEeZQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150609181322.0b922ced@JRWUBU2>

On Tue, 9 Jun 2015 15:32:18 +0200
Mark Davis ?? <mark at macchiato.com> wrote:

> The script may result from the combination.
> 
> In
> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/likely_subtags.html
> look for rows that have both a language and region (but no script),
> such as Azerbaijani.

There were a couple of entries in there that surprised me and I
still think the scripts are wrong in a few of these cases.  Is there any
straightforward way of checking how they were derived?  They are:

sga => sga_Ogam_IE ! Surely Latn is the main script for Old Irish
                   ! (unless you want to count Latg)
non => non_Runr_SE ! I think Latn, but perhaps it depends on how you
                   ! measure usage.  I understood that most of the Old
                   ! Norse material came from Iceland.
nod => nod_Lana_TH ! I think Thai - unless there has been a major shift
                   ! recently.

Richard.