adding all of iso639_3 to either en.xml or root.xml

[Peter Constable]

One thing to note: names in ISO 639 are intended primarily for purposes of identifying the concepts that are encoded, not providing recommended display names. Especially in 639-3, the reference names are not claimed to be English names for the languages; they are merely names that have been used in literature documenting languages. It was simply not feasible to get a review of 7000+ language concepts to determine names that are specifically English or French, or specifically autonyms, or to review for suitability as display names in UI (in whatever language).

If CLDR TC or any of its participants can provide vetted English / French / whatever names for any of the entries in 639-3, then I expect the RA would be open to considering changes. The RA is not constrained to providing only reference names of undetermined language origin; they were only required to provide unique and unambiguous reference names.


Peter

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Subject: Re: adding all of iso639_3 to either en.xml or root.xml


Another potential problem here is that en.xml and iso639-3 don't always agree 100% on the names.  Maybe in root - but I think it is definitely going to be hard to maintain.
I put it on the agenda for the next TC mtg.


Regards,

John C. Emmons
Globalization Architect & Unicode CLDR TC Chairman
IBM Software Group
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I know we at PayPal would certainly be fans of getting all of iso639-3 in CLDR. We are currently cobbling lists together in English and then translating to target languages. I would have no problem with having the English names in root since these and the French are the official ISO entries.

We use the lists for pull-downs on postal address entry forms and need to present them in user language for selection, local language for domestic delivery and English for international postal mail.

Thanks,

Mike___

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On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:56 PM, "Mark Davis ☕️" <mark at macchiato.com<mailto:mark at macchiato.com>> wrote:
I'm not sure it would be worth it. People can always pick up a copy of the language subtag registry and use it to back-fill.

We do keep a copy of the registry in our tooling data directory, and that's what we do in our tooling, such as myCldrFile.getName(language).


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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Steven R. Loomis <srl at icu-project.org<mailto:srl at icu-project.org>> wrote:
If anything should be in en and not root.

Wonder if it could go into seed/en or something.

It's not in en right now because of translation burden. But I'd think we could set controls via coverage.

En.xml is hand curated now, that would be another distinction.

Steven

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El jul 14, 2014, a las 9:47 PM, Martin Hosken <martin_hosken at sil.org<mailto:martin_hosken at sil.org>> escribió:
Dear All,

I notice that en.xml only contains localeDisplayNames/languages/language entries for a subset of iso639-3. Is there a case for filling out the list based on iso639-3 reference names so that people don't have to fallback to data not in the CLDR? Or, given iso639 has these reference names, is there a case for putting them into the root. I realise it's a bit odd to put what amounts to English names into root.xml. OTOH these are the official reference names and so act as fallback for all languages, so perhaps it would be appropriate. I'm happy either way. But I think CLDR would benefit from having the complete reference name mapping of iso639-3 in it.

Yours,
Martin
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